I think this is appropiate for the number of smuggler we have had.

And dont ewe love the way Rudd the Jughead has been pussyfooting around the issue

Illegals dictating to the government their terms

i bet i know what would happen if we went to live in there country and tried to change a few things to suit us ,,,jas

they'd throw rocks @ us & chase us away with telescopic sticks

Good Country This Ustrallia

our apparent acting pm is a very good actor...... he is and has used this country as a stepping stool to secure his seat within the U.N,

I am sorry but I do not agree.

whys that christos ,,jas

This wun should make Christos Happy again

AAARRRRHHH


gees jg put ya undies back on......

I think we should use the Aboriginal flag at least it would have some meaning, sky-sun-earth whatever.

Most kids would have no idea of the of the crosses on the Union Jack or the Southern Cross and the Federation Star.

A good dose of patriotism could be a good thing for us too.

By all means dump the union jack bit of the flag and replace it with the aboriginal symbol, but leave the southern cross were it is

Paul

this topic has had has much debated and said about as to wherther the earth is flat or not.....

in this country there are 3 flags.. of course you have the Aboriginal flag, then there is the internationaly recognised Australian flag but we also have the
boxing kangaroo flag...

a countries flag is a symbol of the country itself... to simply drop 1 flag and to replace it with another is barbarron....

i am of the view that yes this shoul be brought up for public discussion but only after we have fixed the issues that effect us more importantly..

for example the tens of thousands of people who sleep in the streets at night...

Yep I agree with those comments

Politicians & extremists like to wastse millions of $$'s on petty issues like flags not to mention that Goose Paul Keating when he was prime mincer on referrendums trying become a president.

And all this when we were in the worst reccesion that I could remember.

Personally I think it's all a joke @ as much as we like to take the piss out of the poms, if Australia was ever to be invaded for any stupid reason

It will be the bloody poms who will have are backs no Q's asked

Not the yanks or anybody else it will be the BLOODY POMS

totally agree with you except we are being invaded..... slowly very slowly

and its all happening throught the back door..

and not just through illegal arrivals but other means

HUSTLER et all.


apparantly it is not being well received in Vancouver ....




it is a well known fact that our pollies are following in the steps of the Roman Dictator: Fabius Maximus
- ever heard of the Fabian society?

yeah as said they are slowwly leaching in ,then when there ready the shit will hit the fan ,,i can see it comeing ,,jas

Well not that I care one way or the other about royalty these days and good old mother britain but I am quiet happy with our current flag, until such time as we become a republic the union jack must remain.

But getting back to the original topic. I am fully behind it. I believe our population needs no more people coming into our cities, if they were set up in the outer towns and could be self suficiant and populate the lesser crowded places then maybe so, but not in the cities.
Our water supply sewerage etc is doing it hard now so why keep pooring in more people.

And to stir the pot, the bloody abbos wouldn't know what a flag was if it wasn't for the white man.

Ozman's flag got it right... there's too many people here and the infrastructure hasn't kept up with the population.

Aside from a few freeways, a couple of tunnels and a desal plant nothing has changed in the last 50 years that I can see.

During this 50 years our population has gone from 5 Million to 20 Million.

Who has control of these things? No wonder voting is compulsory.

well buggar the lot of u's i am taking the other side of this debate.
if u would like to think back to the 50s and 60s a debate raged about all the wogs coming into the country and the cry was who needs them send them back but just look what they have achieved.if there is a problem its called multiculturalism and should be scraped immediately so as to allow these new people to become fully interrogated into our society.

Paul

Paul. Going back all those years when we NEEDED the population, and to be truthful we needed the Italians/greeks/ugalslavs/maltese etc etc etc
to show the ozzies how to get down and do a decent days work.
Well they showed us how to do it and THEY built this country into what it is now and we should ALL be very greatful for their influx and their teachings.
BUT we DON"T need any more, what we are bring into the country now is a hinderance more then a help, enough is enough.

Frank

Paul Just another point. I take it you are a country type bloke, in otherwords you live away from a major city where the influx of migration has not had any effect on the local population. Sure enough you may see your corner shop being bought by someone not of Australian decent and a few strays here and there.
Here where I live, I take my dog for walkies every afternoon , I go approx 4 blocks either way, different ways now and then to break the monotany.
All during the walk every afternoon, every single person I see ( except one old granpar that still lives in the area ) is not of australian descent, and this encludes ( believe it or not ) every single car that drives by. Mostly of asian, some of islander and some of aribic background, all nice people i'm sure, and I don't have a problem with any individual or rase, and nod my head and say hello to all I pass ( except lebonese ) but as I said before enough is enough.
Go for a walk through most Sydney outer suburbs now days and you would be lucky to see one shop that is run by and have aussie signs, if you can't read chinese or canteneze or whatever the language is you don't know what the shop is selling.
The cities are very much over run with non english speaking people, and they breed like rabbits, and our resorces simple are not coping.
I don't know what the population of Sydney is at the moment Around 3 million something. Still living with a sewerage system built when the entire population of Australia was 7 million.
I repeat THE RESORCES IN THE CITIES CAN NOT COPE.

sorry for the rant.

with each new wave of immigration we get both good and bad.the trouble is we tend to dwell on the bad.with the good comes new ideas and better ways of doing things and this is where all effort and resources should be aimed.
with the problem of infrastructure this can be and will be solved once we as voters put in a government that is prepared to think past the next election.
paul

p.s. Frank I'm i Canberra, at the moment we have around 3 hundred thousand people here so it is very easy to spot new comers like the Somalians that are moving in and lots of them, most are nice people hard working, they don't wont to be broke and starving like they were back in there home land, so they work just like the new comers before them and that helps to move the country forward.
Yes owe suburbs are changing and they will continue to change with each new group of people

Yes Paul as I said Country boy, a isolated little city that noboby really wants to go to to live,,,
Wait till you can walk your streets for 1/2 hour or so without seeing an english speaking person and tell me then how good it is.
As far as electing a government,,,, How many times has the power of government changed in the last 50 years, DONT matter what government is in they are all the same.

Frank ewe should try living where I am it's a shitfight on the roads & all this happened in the last 7 years



Poly that's a whole different era the immigrants of that era were all legal & got no assistance from tax payers when they arrived like my oldies when they came out if they didn't have a roof over their heads it twas stiff shit for them.

B4 I go on to the next point I'll just add this

Wot shits me about that generation & the Aust govenment is that a very large % of those immigrants went back to their old countries & because they worked here for 5 years [ I think the term was] they are entitled to draw a retirement pension even though they dont live here nor have any intententions of returning.

Now the current crop of immigrants & I'm refering to the illegals get everything bar a butler to attend to their needs & wants

Another thing !

Australia's population does need to grow but ewes can thank that idiotic Harwke/Keating government for shutting the doors on the British / Europeans back in heir term in parliment.

For many moons now Australia has had a Biggarus stortage of skilled trades people & that shortage definately no way in the world could've been filled from the asian countries that the Harwke/Keating government were fast forwarding into oz.

I am by no means a racists & only tell it as it is.

well i can see alot has been said and i could feel a feew tempers being raised....

but as said before n the last 50 years nt much has really changed apart from the desal plant at kurnel and i worked there while it was being built.......

as some of you may know i train and work in law enforcement, and people say that there are good and bad in every race, but while the bad may be a minority say speak very loudly for a minority,

im not worried about the immagrants comming in here legally but the illegal ones worry me alot.

but what concerns me the most is the amazingly large amount of foreign owned companies that are now in this country,

im sure i could count on my hands the amount of australian owned big business that its 100% australian owned..

the best way to bring a country to its knees is by controlling the majority of big business and imports/exports.... now think long and hard and you will know which race im am talking about... hint : think of past events.

Australian polly's think about 2day and 2morrow they dont think about next month and that has been our problem for a long time,

add to that, that it can take longer to go from 1 side of sydney to the other side in peak hour traffic then wat it would to go half way to queensland

i much prefer the drive to queensland then i would across sydney

I try not to swear. It is just the way I am. Now being said I am no angel behind the wheel of a car, but that is another story.




Apart from what words are on the flag I still would not agree with preventing people from entering the country to try and scratch a living out of this land. It can be tough at times when trying to save some money for something. We have to have a balance and this can be a real problem when one side is heavier then the other side.

We do need a balance of people to come to our shores. It can be hard to get that balance right and sometimes people tend to group around each other of similar background. But after the initial time spent here and there more are intergrated else where. It does take time and will take time.

No goverment that I know off has ever created something in advance for a just to be ready scenario.

these are not my words but come from an email sent by Arnie dog, and if there is any truth to them, then perhaps it is time to take a stand.










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Arnie needs to take a pill & have a good lie down.

You have lost me Fed, can you expand on your thinking a little please mate.

Paul

Think ewe've opened up Pandora's Box with that post poly but I'll allow it to stand only so I can rip the shit out of it

For starters it's got nothing to do with our flag & wot this thread is all about Illigal Imigrants

In fact it's quite racial against Muslims but hey I'm fine with that as well cause I'm not a Religious person & in all fairness the Muslim religion teach's to hate anybody who's not muslim.

Personally I think all religion should be banned cause all the worlds misery & war stems from religious beliefs & history has it's own record of that, take away these wars O/S's & ewe wont have illigal immigrants trying to make their way abroad in a bid for a better life.



Well think Arnie has 4gotten that he's a WOG like so many others who migrated here & he's no better than the Muslims denoted in that piece of literature, the guy roams shopping centres in a bid to convert shoppers to his religious beliefs very hypercritical in my book.

Shit my oldies migrated here 50 years ago & their Ingrish is up the crap they dont know the words to the Aust anthen in fact either do I not my fault they changed anthems & got rid of God Save Priscilla the Queen

So do we deport my oldie & anybody else who cant sing the national athem ???????????

They changed the national anthem?
Why wasn't I told?

Interesting read here. There is quite a problem across the pond as well.

Well a memo was sent to ewe Fed

It's now called Advance Australian Seafairy

Yep it is

Australia is not the only country who gets People Smugglers it's world wide

Sure Poly, the text you put up looks like a tirade to get people stirred up but it does nothing for me.
A couple of public holidays, if they can get them can we all have them?
Meat pies, who cares?
Singing the anthem in Arabic, most kids couldn't sing it in English anyway.

Really Poly is there something in that text that makes you feel threatened?

Our Govts past & present should be F**Ked and burned, we live on an island and they can't stop illegal immigrants.
GIVE ME A BREAK!

Well it seems this topic has opened a few people up, I,m not against immigration only against the illegal ones like over the past 15 month we have had 70 plus loaded boats all by smugglers.
My belief is they are smugglers, and they should be dealt with the full strenght of the law and if the death penalty was stilll around use it.
As they are as bad as drug smugglering only they are dealing with people lives, and can wreck a country with the shit they try to bring across our borders, in people that are know criminals or have been listed as a threat by the federal police. Now that is what gets me, and how F___ relaxed our PM and present Government is about it,just turn them around at sea with fresh supplies to return to where they came from is my belief.Make it they have to apply legally.
I might sound harsh but I have friends that are from Britian and Europe that have been trying for years and all they get is reject or a 3 year working pass and we let these others in.

I put that up so we could keep the debate going and as most of the new comers are of the Muslims faith i felt it only fair to take the debate in that direction, plus these are the people trying to change things to suit themselves.
now I'm not saying that change is a bad thing, but change with out most people agreeing would be a disaster, its the type of thing that brings rioters in to the streets and bring governments down

(walks away scratching head, hoping all will be well with the world)

Paul

in them self's the changers aren't that great as you say Fed, now if we take there public holidays dose that mean we will be expected to go to and pray with them
as for the hulul meat pies, I am dead against for the way they kill the animals
and you are wright about the kids of today not being able to sing the anthem but they do recognize it when they hear it, wonder what it would sound like in some other lingo, how about Kevin Rudd singing the anthem in Cantonese.
Paul

I'm a city boy Poly so I don't know much about killing things, I did some halal googling to see what it's all about.

What I found is 2 main ways used of killing animals, in a nutshell, cut their throats, let them bleed out & chop them up or stun them and chop them up.

I also found that various sites that claimed one or the other ways was more humane so I don't know, I guess you'd have to ask the cow.

Many years ago I read somewhere that shooting with a bow & arrow was more humane than shooting with a gun and I'm guessing that excluded head shots. Apparently most animals hit with an arrow don't even know they've been hit and they just bleed out and fade into unconsciousness & die.

Here's a couple of quick links with contradicting views on it.
http://kb.rspca.org.au/What-is-halal-slaughter_116.html
http://mideastfood.about.com/od/middleeast.../halalfoods.htm

I have a question though, do animals have to be bled before being killed, why don't they just give them a shot like a cat or dog I wonder?

Where are you Rumpus, you're a hunter killer so educate us mate.

gee hasnst this opened a box........

well i can speak from personal experience from both sides,

a little about my history...

mums aussie

dads russian

i was born here so that makes me half russian half aussie,

but i was married to my ex-wife for 6 years and gess what... she was a muslim leb, which meant i had to convert over to islamic, now im not a relegious guy never have been never will be, when we divorced i converted bck to my original church of england, i spent 3 months in beirut and just on 2 months in tripoli with her family, the lebanese here are totally different to the 1s in lebanon.

there are good and bad in every race but its not the lebs that are the biggest problems, lets take a look at other races.. what about the asians ???? 3T mean anything to any 1 ?? id rather take on 5 lebs then 1 member f the 3 T anyday, what about the itian mafia ??? hint who owns and runs the pymont fish markets, what about the fight that almost happened 2 years ago between the 500 serbs and bosnians that almost happened on top of westfields are liverpool... never made the news ccause it was hush hush... its our government that is the biggest problems, its to soft not just on arrivals but all maters, i can go murder some 1 and be out in 7-8 years or i can go and be charged with theft and get maybe 2-3 years if i have a bad history ???? they well we need to tighten up the legal system

another major concern is that half of all the major once australian owned businesses are now owned by offshore companies,,,, we are on our knees to the rest of the world

ok here its coming,
first, islam religion, I am muslim, the first thing they taught us is, rule number one, god gave us the life and he would be the only only one who takes it back, so these guys killing everyone who is not muslim are not muslim any way because they are against the rule number one,

second, I am a migrant to this beautiful country, and I waited more than a year for my visa, and i'm a geology engineer, can speak the language, and pay more than $40k tax a year to au goverment but I waited for my turn to come.

third, I hate the people who come from other countries and try to change this country and try to make it like their original country, why did you come here if you want this country be like your original country. If you want to live here, obey the rules.

fourth, my little brother is a biologist, can speak the language, did a master degree in australia, still he needs to wait for his visa if he applies for it (but he doesnt want to because there are more people here who cant speak language then anywhere else in the world. )

Fifth, I am not a racist, actually quite the opposite but cannot stand the people taking short cuts or trying to change this country and try to make it like their original country.

This country does need more population, but only skilled ones. If you want to come this country you're more than wellcome as long you accept to be an ausie, and live in this country with its own laws. You are more than wellcome the bring your own culture, but dont forget, this is australia.

Hey Hustler, if what you say is true...

... then that means I'm half Pommie.

I'm going outside to kill myself.

yead blood line fed your half pommie,

and boris, what you said is true but sadly not every 1 thinks that way, i have found that the problem doesnt lie with the educated people it lies with the un-educated people from all backgrounds.

Hey Fed

R U dead yet ewe pommy bastard

It should never be about a race or religion, Should be about the individual person

Heck I even talk to pommy's & wun of the true friends I've had for 45 years is wun of those poms, luckily I deported him up to Qld many moons

Same goes with religion dont care if you're a religious fruitloop just dont preach it to me & we'll get along fine

amen brother jumpus amen ,,,lol,,,,,jas

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