Braid Vs Mono Options

[kkw]

Oh by the way I have to admit kk outfished on that day using mono & thats a feat on it's own because he's bloody hopeless

Silly old man. You only took me out once. Wait until you take me out again, and I outfish you. And then again, and again, and again. I was catching frigate macks on a spool of my mums cotton and a safety pin, before you were born. I cut off one of my sisters braids and caught a flathead on it. Pffffft - hopeless indeed.

[Smelly]

whats your mono prefernace nowdays mate im a maxima man or the pre test platypussy in yellow I really like also...

my leader has changed to seaguar from 4lb to 12lb max any heavier I use my jenkai [love the stuff]

Yeah i used ta love that pink maxima,i used it back when i fished the bay,think it was lo-stretch,top stuff

I see youse are talking leaders too,whats your thoughts on Fluorocarbon leaders,since this stuff i won't use anything else,but hey i'm easilly convinced,seaguar is fluorocarbon right??.

Don't know bugger all about this jenkai stuff,seen it mentioned alot tho???

[Smelly]

Silly old man. You only took me out once. Wait until you take me out again, and I outfish you. And then again, and again, and again. I was catching frigate macks on a spool of my mums cotton and a safety pin, before you were born. I cut off one of my sisters braids and caught a flathead on it. Pffffft - hopeless indeed.

[Mully]

seaguar is fluro carbon the first and most researched an improved out the lot....[[there are a lot of good ones around mate I dont oown shares in it just like it ]]
Jenkai is just mono but for mulloway and bigger fish it is realy subtle and ties knots magically really quality mono for leaders and my only choice...I hate wiirey trace even if it i s heavy some of my mully trace is 60lb and around 2 mtrs long because I fish structure with livies and some mullys get to 75 plus pounds here....

If you like soft but very abrasive resistant line jenkai is good value 100 mtrs of 40 to 100 lb is about $20 or a tad under but its worth every cent.
I used to use black magic and have tried the soft and tough trace both are too wirey for me and too thick in diameter ,I like wind on leader even thick stuff so i go as low diameter as possable...

[kkw]

To be serious (for once) I have a couple of reels spooled up with 10lb Raptor braid, 17lb and 30lb. It is a terrific braid and has caused me no problems at all. The 10lb is the one which gets the most use - mostly on spinning with SP and HB lures. I always use a 10lb flourocarbon leader (Vanish). I have found that over several months, it is a good idea to pull off around 20m of the braid and cut it off. The UV and salt water does deteriorate it, and it breaks easier. That' my experience with braid.
Having used Jumpy's braid a few weeks back, I was amazed at how easily it broke. Even just pulling the knots tight, would break it. Not necessarily at the knot either. There was definately something not right with his braid. The Raptor brand has never behaved like his braid does/did.

[Jumpus GooDarus]

whats your mono prefernace nowdays mate im a maxima man or the pre test platypussy in yellow I really like also...

Have to say I'm only using that ANDE mono these days I buy my mono in bulk spools of around 10,000 meters but do still have quite a few spools of Platil Marine left it's a pre test & not a bad line either.

Both rhe ANDE & Platil are pretest kinda like the ANDE better though only got ir in 3 & 6 kg @ present but will go all line class's when the Platil runs out

Wouldn't pay to much attention to that Kay Kay Winks chappy re rolled up to go fishing with me said he was going to bring his own outfit & rolled up with some rope wrapped around a stick

[Smelly]

seaguar is fluro carbon the first and most researched an improved out the lot....[[there are a lot of good ones around mate I dont oown shares in it just like it ]]
Jenkai is just mono but for mulloway and bigger fish it is realy subtle and ties knots magically really quality mono for leaders and my only choice...I hate wiirey trace even if it i s heavy some of my mully trace is 60lb and around 2 mtrs long because I fish structure with livies and some mullys get to 75 plus pounds here....

Thanx Mully,thought so,I've used it once.


Like KKW,i use Vanish and have found it to be good.

[Mully]

I also use vanish but have found knot strength to braid is stronger with seaguar.Especially with lighter braids

[Mully]

I also use vanish but have found knot strength to braid is stronger with seaguar.Especially with lighter braids

[catchnrelease]

Vanish is sh*thouse. Nothing but poor knots, poor line strength and piss weak abrasion resistance. Yamatoyo all the way for my light line fluroro's.

[Spudly]

hahaha your like 15 and you said piss weak!

I use schnider! cause i flogged heaps of it!

;)

[Smelly]

I also use vanish but have found knot strength to braid is stronger with seaguar.Especially with lighter braids

Thanx for the tip MULLY,very well said unlike this crap below

Vanish is sh*thouse. Nothing but poor knots, poor line strength and piss weak abrasion resistance. Yamatoyo all the way for my light line fluroro's

Oh yes catch you wise one you,i'll rush out and get some 2morrow..NOT

[Mully]

Yamatoyo is not anything special,it is good fluro also but there are better quality gear cheaper than yammi...
Yo-zuri hybrid and h2o are nice also and a good price for amount you are getting...
Nitlon DFC is nice stuff also sooooo many to choose from..

When you say poor knot strength what do you mean what knot are you tying to your braid ???? I have yet to come across this problem the only vanish that I found a bit flimsy is the transitions line the standard blue pack is quite tough...

seaguar is and has been around forever they invented the stuff and again for my money its worth it...[its not expensive]

I heard jenkai are or have brought out a fluro look forward to testing it as I love their mono trace/leader

What I think is use what you feel comfortable with saying one is sh*t is crazy I have a lot of friends in the trade and who love fishing I dont rush out and buy every new fluro dont have to I try my mates and he might try mine if I like it I may swap but I wont tell him its shit if he loves the stuff thats just plain bloody rude [[[read my signature]]

This post has been edited by Mully: Oct 24 2007, 04:04 AM

[Smelly]

Again good reading there Mully,very informative ,thanx.


Yeah i was gonna suggest that catch should learn to tie his knots better,instead of doing the same knot that he does his




SCHOOL SHOES up with.

[Jumpus GooDarus]

I was down the club tonight & having a word with one of the guys who dies line testing for National records etc

Anyways I brought up the topic of braid & got this reply

Mono tests pretty well spot on only losing 5 % on breaking strain @ the knot in other words lets say 10 kg mono will break just under or on the 10 kg matk as all pretest should do cause if it breaks over then the record claim is disallowed.

Now this is measured on mainline only dont know if ewes know how the machine works ??

I've used one & what you need to do is wrap about 4 turns of the line around a drum either end so as to get an even pressure with no knots in the line

That 5 % I mentioned is if you allowed a knot between the drums & lines weakest point is @ the knot so the line will break @ 9.5 kg pressure.

Now braid on the other hand will break @ 50 % of it's line strength due to it's poor knot strength

BUT !

When you buy a spool of the pre-test braid which is rated @ 10 kg the actual braid itself will break @ 15 kg of pressure so what happens is the manufacturers rate the pre-test stuff @ the knot.

So next time you guys pull off some braid & think wow how strong is this stuff bear in mind how weak ir is @ the knot 50 % weaker

[Mully]

True in every respect but if you tie a bimini I would re test my stats...
Actual fact a bimini twist to leader will with decent lines break at 95% load,,simple things like this will change your % of lost fish

Not trying to be a smart ass mate but knots do play a major role in the measure of strength..
I also have done knot strength tests and different knots will change the results dramatically..

This post has been edited by Mully: Oct 24 2007, 04:18 AM

[Spudly]

i think what jumpys is saying in there is that if you go for a RECORD, then your braid may cause you to not get it as the way they test their lines does not meet the standards.

[Mully]

Yes I understand mate,just clarifying the knot strewngth tests data also ,,,very hard to get an accurate breaking strain on braid unlike mono or fluro's...Sorry I didnt explain better I have a habit of doing that ,,,sorry peoples

This post has been edited by Mully: Oct 24 2007, 04:21 AM

[Jumpus GooDarus]

Mully those figures are not mine they were given to me & there is a report on the findings whiche I asked for a copy off.

It's irrellevant what not you tie what I was told & also expirienced alot of in past couple of weeks & kk will back me up on this one every knot Ihe or I tied on our day out broke on the breaid B4 the knot.

He tied uni knots I tied Binimi's

With all my game gear all my doubles are plaited & @ least 6" off plait not a big fan of spider hitch's unless I really have to & my swivels are tied via the catspaw knot

[TomMc]

I use both,
my small spin outfits have braid but i will purchase another one eventually to put flureocarbon on it.
My larger reels all have mono.
I lke braid for lures and mono for bait and have tried both for either.