Interested In Upgrading Boat Options

[jack]

Hi


I am getting a bit over my little runabout and the fact it is not safe to take outside.

I had a look at formosa plate boats and like the 5.2 meter bow rider as it looks like an awesome family boat that can do a bit of fishing offshore as well (not trawling for marlin)

anyone have any experience with this brand? or can suggest another brand?

Jack

[NetPez]

Jack if you look at one of the other forums at the moment there is a big discusion an alloy versus glass
In my oppinion glass is far supirior to alloy a lot quieterand smoother
but maybe get jumpys opinion

[Jumpus GooDarus]

2 of my mates have those 4noses jack
both happy with them

[Spudly]

for a family boat Id go with Glass... Leave the Plateies to the clowns like JG....

Nah, have to admit, if you want a full time fishing boat go a platy, for a family boat a glass one! ;)

[Jumpus GooDarus]

Yeah right as if jack is going to listen to a pair of potato's

Guy said he wanted to upgrade not downgrade to glass

[quintrex101]

The Formosa is a beautiful boat, the Bowrider would be perfect. Just think about it mate. Cushions and seats up the front with the family, or if you go out by yourself convert the front to a casting deck with an leccy motor. You have the protection of the windscreen and the bimini, the deep v for cutting through the chop, you have the transom on the back to help you get in and out of the water..

If me and Dad upgraded i'd go for something like that, i love Bowriders, perfect alrounders imo

This post has been edited by quintrex101: Jan 22 2012, 05:40 AM

[Fed]

I can't think of one good reason to have a plate boat in preference to a glass boat.

[Jumpus GooDarus]

But then again ewe have probs thinking @ all
To many goose pills

[jack]

I can't think of one good reason to have a plate boat in preference to a glass boat.

Towing weight maybe, from what I see the glass boats seem to get heavier for the same size boat. I only have a 1600kg rated tow bar and am not planning on upgrading that and include a tranny cooler. Car can easily handle it though.

Price? Bar the bayliner which does not really look like a boat that can handle the rough stuff most glass boats tend to be more expensive. Bayliner 185 looks like a serious fun machine with mercruiser and very nice pricetag, but I don't think it should be taken outside.

Also with a glass boat I'd be scared to go close to anything that could damage it but with alumium I know it can handle rocks fairly well. This issue is not a major one, just need to adjust my skills :-)



Jack

[Spudly]

my 5.5m glass boat only weights 500 odd kg...

my overall weight is less than 1500kg...

[Fed]

I don't think there's a huge difference in weight either Jack and at the size you're talking about it wouldn't worry you anyway.
I doubt if my rig would be much more than 1000Kg if that. (5.2M cuddy)

Price is another thing altogether, I was thinking secondhand and to me it seems fibreglass are cheaper than plate but I stand to be corrected on that. I guess to be fair you'd have to price identical rigs.

Damage? It always seems to me that people think glass boats are fragile and I don't believe that's the case. Although I don't run my boat onto rocks I never worry about running it up onto a beach or leaving bumping against a wharf. (I should get some of those giant tampons I guess)

Then there's the transom/stringer rot but it's not nearly as prevalent as people think and can easily be avoided by sealing any penetrations properly. This is also more than offset by corrosion both electrolytic and galvanic in plate boats.

Build quality & strength, fibreglass boats are molded in one big piece and start off life in that shape where plate boats are welded up from bent pieces of metal totally reliant on the skill of the welder. If you're talking about pounding a boat for the next 10, 20, 30 years I'd choose glass over plate every day of the week.

All the rest of the stuff like warm, smooth, user friendly, quiet, better handling go without saying.

I can understand Jumpy having plate boats given his background but for someone who just wants to buy & use glass is for me.

Bowriders... PFFTTT! Gotta say I'm not a fan, great while your kids are keen but that probably won't last long.

If I didn't already have a boat I'd go & buy a RumpusCraft... top boat IMO.

Not trying to start a boat war or rain on your parade Jack merely putting forward another point of view.

[storms72]

Going by your requirements I would suggest a Polycraft frontrunner 5.3, store it on rocks if you like, run into wharfs, smooth quiet ride. Price very attractive.

Won't fade or yellow in the sun, no need to repaint when those little oops moments happen, weight 720kg approx, trailer 350kg approx, engine 90hp etec-150kg....plenty to spare for fishing gear and fuel......

Whadya reckon Poly

[Spudly]

Whadya reckon Poly?

I recon your sick!!!

But would be better than a plate boat for a family boat...

[nimrod]

I recon your sick!!!

But would be better than a plate boat for a family boat...

I must admit, IF I were to be in the market and have the $$$$ to buy a new boat, I would be seriously looking at a poly.
I have been dead set against them for a number of years solely based on the fact that I like making all things needed for my boats and with the polys I have felt excessories would be a nightmare to fit.
Lately I have been thinking IF I were to get/find a poly that had all the stuff where I wanted it, it might be a worthwhile thought.
Dought if I would ever see a poly with the layout I would want, so catch 22 still for me.
Glass is comfortable but heavy, alloy is workable, you can treat it rough as guts and is light enough for minimum amount of horse power and towing vehicle.
Alloy wins in most compartments with me, but as I say glass is comfortable.

[poly]

solely based on the fact that I like making all things needed for my boats and with the polys I have felt excessories would be a nightmare to fit.

no that's were you are dead wrong Frank, its very easy to fit accessories all you need are basic wood working tools.

Whadya reckon Poly

yep I do think a 5.3 front runner would be a good buy, why not send a p.m. to bbjohn i know he would be only to happy to give you all the info on them

http://www.polycraft.com.au/model-range/530-warrior

Paul

[Fed]

Another point I should mention is the ergonomics.

I like to be able to stand up & drive looking over the screen without having the wheel down near your knees.
Sit down & drive looking through the screen and have good foot support at the same time.
Full head room & side clears completes the package.

I'm not just saying that because it's what I have, there should be plenty of boats out there that would fit the bill.

The only short coming with mine is my feet don't comfortably reach the floor while seated but there are some footrests.

In my previous boat the seats were so high you felt like a cocky on a perch, remember Majed had the same problem with his old boat too.

It's a big decision to make if you're going to spend a lot of money.

[Spudly]

Just worth Noting about weight for ya Jack.....

Formosa 520 BOW ; 5.35m 600kg
Haines Sig 540f ; 5.33m 560kg
Haines BowRider 520 ; 5.35m 475kg
Polycraft Frontrunner ; 5.30m 760.00kg


If ya wanna go offshore I dont think a bowrider is a great option.. Great for the bay or the rivers though!!

[Fed]

There's always larger tinnys too, they have their own special niche in the market.

What's the story KK, I know you don't use yours much but are you happy with its performance?

[Jumpus GooDarus]

unbelievsble

Not one of them has ever owned a platey jack but they're all experts on what you should get

Hilerious ha ha

[Spudly]

unbelievsble

Not one of them has ever owned a platey jack but they're all experts on what you should get

Hilerious ha ha

Never owned a haines and you talk them down...

Oh and plenty of posts of you bagging out poly's on here and how many of them have you owned!?!?

Never owned a plate boat but went in a stabi and your within a few days and recon the stabi would eat your for breakfast too..

[Spudly]

Not one of them has ever owned a platey jack but they're all experts on what you should get

Its a forum isnt it? place where people pass on their opinions?? Otherwise he wouldnt have asked?

Have you been stealing fed's goose pills?

[Jumpus GooDarus]

I dont particularly care what boats people have or own

I'm just goodarus @ taking the piss out of peeps
The question in this thread was in regards to a plate boat & here you all are throwing everything from plastic to glass @ poor jack

Spud you can reckon all you like you've yet to do any serious boating/fishing offshore to form an opinion on which boat would have another for breakfast

The only thing i'll seriously say about any of my boats is that i allways feel safe in them & i've fished some horror conditions

[Spudly]

Spud you can reckon all you like you've yet to do any serious boating/fishing offshore to form an opinion on which boat would have another for breakfast

Didnt hit a nerve did we... Maybe I was just taking the piss too.. But I got the bite!

I recon ive probably seen some conditions out there... Only difference is when they conditions were bad, you stayed in bed and we donned the wet weather gear, pulled in a reef and headed out into it.. We were not scared of a bit of wind and some waves breaking over the bow..

Was actually suppose to go to Hobart in 1998, I Raced all the qualifiers and then had to pull out due to commitments to another class. I was abroad JBW the afternoon their relatives went down on Winston Churchill. (RIP) Ive seen 50kt+ winds, been rolled, had boats completely submerged by massive swells breaking over the front of them, Hit by lightning and caught in a water spout.. I recon Ive seen some weather!

[Spudly]

The question in this thread was in regards to a plate boat & here you all are throwing everything from plastic to glass @ poor jack laugh.gif

Oj Jumpy, you must have forgotton your pills today!!


Jacks Question?

anyone have any experience with this brand? or can suggest another brand?

Read which is written my friend, your own words....

Thus, were are suggesting other brands for Jack.. Other brands may include glass or poly boats!

Just a question?? Do YOU have any experience with this brand of boat?

[Jumpus GooDarus]

Difference between me & alot of people is that i'm sensible i pick my days to go for a fish but if conditions change as they often do i dont have to run with tail between my legs.

It's what's called having confidence in the boat & the ability to assess whether it's time to head home or not.


And dont bring poofy sailing boats into the equation those poofy thing rely on wind to work & with wind comes shitty conditions

The day you hit a nerve with me you'll know it

In the meantime keep dreaming about those poofy yatch's

[Fed]

I had a look at formosa plate boats and like the 5.2 meter bow rider as it looks like an awesome family boat that can do a bit of fishing offshore as well (not trawling for marlin)

anyone have any experience with this brand? or can suggest another brand?

Jack

What part of that don't you get Jumpy, I made it bold to make it easier for you.
You just don't get it.... DO YOU?

[Jumpus GooDarus]

Oj Jumpy, you must have forgotton your pills today!!


Jacks Question?


Read which is written my friend, your own words....

Thus, were are suggesting other brands for Jack.. Other brands may include glass or poly boats!

Just a question?? Do YOU have any experience with this brand of boat?

Why dont ewe just ask jack ewe brurry irriot
Q was in relation to boat he mentioned or a similar platey

Not a glass or plastic boat

He wants a full boat

[Jumpus GooDarus]

Well Well Well the goose has arrived

Read again goose he said brand not glass or plastic

Think i know jack a bit better than you twits & what he's after

And ewe geese bothered reading the bit about his concerns about weight issues ewes would've jerried

But gooses dont jerry they just Honk

[Spudly]

And ewe geese bothered reading the bit about his concerns about weight issues ewes would've jerried

But gooses dont jerry they just Honk laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

HAD you read my post, you would have seen that my glass boat is lighter than the plate boat, so weight is irrelevant! Thus why we pointed it out to him!!

Here it is again for you!!

Formosa 520 BOW ; 5.35m 600kg
Haines Sig 540f ; 5.33m 560kg
Haines BowRider 520 ; 5.35m 475kg
Polycraft Frontrunner ; 5.30m 760.00kg

[Fed]

If you look at post #9 you will see that Jack is looking outside the square, not blinkered like some GoogleBoys in here.

[Fed]

Jumpus GooDarus & quintrex101 what a combination.

[Jumpus GooDarus]

Honk Honk Honk

[Fed]

WOW!
Change the subject and large text, Jumpy must be wrong...... again.

[Jumpus GooDarus]

Jumpus GooDarus & quintrex101 what a combination.

Tell ewe what goose
I'd rather have twit top on the boat than a goose anyday of the week

One can teach a twit top a thing or 2

One cannot teach a goose esp one who still lives in the 50's & does all his fishing/boating on a computor

[Fed]

Another change of subject, HaHaHaha! We're on a roll!

Wind his spring up a bit tighter Rumpus we'll get a backflip out of him yet.

[Jumpus GooDarus]

It all goes to charactor reference

Yours

You seem to know alot with all info gathered from the net very little 1st hand knowledge

Get with it Fed it's 2012 but your still living in the 50's

When you actually get off your arse do a bit of fishing/boating who knows i might even take you seriously

[Spudly]

I'd rather have twit top on the boat than a goose anyday of the week

Theres always a twit top on your boat!!

One cannot teach a goose esp one who still lives in the 50's & does all his fishing/boating on a computor laugh.gif laugh.gif

Says the one driving the blunt nose alloy boat, you know theve invented Fibreglass now, much comfier and quieter ride...

[Fed]

If I want repeats I'll go and watch television.
Haven't you got any new material Jumpy?

Theres always a twit top on your boat!!

HaHaHaHaHa!

This post has been edited by Fed: Jan 23 2012, 05:25 PM

[Jumpus GooDarus]

The goose has got a gosling now

[Spudly]

Hey FED, I think he is spending to much time with them Mexicans and starting to turn into one.. Believing the stuff coming out of his own mouth?


JACK, hope this meaningful discussion was helpful before Jackass Goodstorius came and had to wreck it.. Just like he does on Fishnet!

[Fed]

Speaking of fishnet did you see what that guy called him?

[Spudly]

Which one? There are to many? ;)

[Jumpus GooDarus]

Spud i knew ewe didn't want to be a potato anymore

But really why a gosling ????

Must've been the lure of the golden eggs huh

[Fed]

Check your PMs Rumpus, too funny. HooRoo.

[Jumpus GooDarus]

I'll leave you 2 gooses to lick each others poop holes

Some of us do actually go fishing/boating & not just dream about it

I've got gear to prep

[storms72]

Geez good discussion......just offering up a suggestion, not gonna offer any explanation, end of the day Jack will buy what he likes best and suits his needs....

[quintrex101]

I didn't say anything about Fiberglass as i've never really looked into them, always seen some Haines Hunter 530 with 115hp ETEC on the back and they have always caught my eye. They look like a great boat but i'll stick to my 460 alloy boat, not plate, not poly, not fibreglass, but at the end of the day i still catch fish

[poly]

Geez good discussion......just offering up a suggestion, not gonna offer any explanation, end of the day Jack will buy what he likes best and suits his needs....

how true is that.

Paul

[Jumpus GooDarus]

Ha

Ewe guys dont get it

I was baiting the goose from the start

And now it seems i've got a gosling to do battle with

See what happened when i left ???

The geece had nothing to talk about

[Spudly]

you really do live in your own world dont ya!

[Jumpus GooDarus]

You just proved my point

Ewe guys are nothing without jumpus

If jumpus dosen't stir things up around here you all turn into mutes

How come you didn't carry on talking with Big Goose after i left wittle Gosling

[Spudly]

I think you should see a shrink....

[Bees Knees]

Take your hanbags back to your respective corners, ladies... Your all mates, so there is no need for the keyboard warrior stuff... Pick up the phone and have a laugh about it... better still, go fishing

[jack]

Very enjoyable to watch after missing a day :-)

I am still leaning towards the alumium plate boats as I think they make for a better compromise between family fun (bowrider) and fishing.

as far as weight goes I stand corrected

Had a look at the Savage B195 and if I would not be doing any fishing I'd be at the dealer right now. Adding a bait tank/board and rodholder looks just silly I think.
However a formosa tomahawk bowrider is easier to add bait tank/board and rod holders to and has more space to fish.
Not in a real hurry and will wait for the sydney boat show to have a look at more options though.

[Spudly]

Yep, its really your decision Jack, only you know what you want.. After all JGs ranting about glass boats I still picked on because its what suits me and my family better and im sure youll make that decision based on what you want.

The Formosa looks a good boat, probably my only concern with bow riders is the lack of back deck area, but then you do have such a great casting / fishing area at the bow too..

Good luck!

Take your hanbags back to your respective corners, ladies... Your all mates, so there is no need for the keyboard warrior stuff... Pick up the phone and have a laugh about it... better still, go fishing

only one of us wears a handbag, though its more a bum bag!! Unles FED is one of them too??

Pick up the phone.. I havnt got all night You should know wat its like

And please refer to him as the almighty! I would go fishing.. Well actually I might.. Could be a few Yella's and Cod with my name on em for aus day!

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[Fed]

The weights surprised me too Jack the Formosas must be a pretty solid boat.

How about the 600Kg Polys? I guess they're still experimenting with stopping them from bending on hot days.

[jack]

hmmmm

to be quite honest, and I apologise profusely upfront for offending anyone, but they are ugly...

sorry....

Jack

PS formosa seems like a solid boat with 4mm bottom and sides and aluminium floor

[Spudly]

hmmmm

to be quite honest, and I apologise profusely upfront for offending anyone, but they are ugly...

sorry....

Jack

Paint it fluro green and youll be right mate!

[quintrex101]

The Formosa is a great looking boat, looks soild as well.. i agree with 'if you pay alot of money for something, it has to look good!'

Jack what are you planning to put on the back of whatever boat you purchase ?

[Jumpus GooDarus]

Dont pay attention to the Gosling Jack
He's just got the poo's i wouldn't sell him Mini Me & had to settle for a 1/2 boat that's what you get when you spend 1/2 the money a platey is worth

Just got back from up the club ran into skip who owns the 5.8 centre cab 4nossa 140hp Boozuki 4 stroke on back Alloy trailer etc jumped on board not a bad boat @ all

Cost him around the $65 k mark

[jack]

Dont pay attention to the Gosling Jack
He's just got the poo's i wouldn't sell him Mini Me & had to settle for a 1/2 boat that's what you get when you spend 1/2 the money a platey is worth

Just got back from up the club ran into skip who owns the 5.8 centre cab 4nossa 140hp Boozuki 4 stroke on back Alloy trailer etc jumped on board not a bad boat @ all

Cost him around the $65 k mark

Yeah they are not the cheapest, so I will be looking at other brands as well. but a 5.2 or maybe 5.5 with a 90-100 4 stroke should be a bit cheaper :-)

on another note. These boats get made in 2 varieties. the classic and the tomahawk series. The tomahawk series among other things has a self draining floor which I think is very handy when outside and things do get rough. What are the advantages for self draining floor?

[Jumpus GooDarus]

Yep this was the Tomahawk
Alloy trailers aren't cheap either

[Spudly]

What are the advantages for self draining floor?

He's just got the poo's i wouldn't sell him Mini Me & had to settle for a 1/2 boat that's what you get when you spend 1/2 the money a platey is worth laugh.gif

Depends if you get self draining in or out... Mini Me has one on the backwards ones that the boat fills up with water when you stop..

So did you catch any fish or what JG? Even the pezmonster got amongst the kings today!

[quintrex101]

The good thing about alloy is the resale value, if you paid 40k and used the boat for 5 years you'd still get over 30k for it considering you looked after it

Also consider with the 550 i think you'd be close to having to have a dual axle trailer am i right ?

This post has been edited by quintrex101: Jan 25 2012, 06:38 AM

[Jumpus GooDarus]

Depends if you get self draining in or out... Mini Me has one on the backwards ones that the boat fills up with water when you stop

Keep dreaming Gosling
The day you can ketch me out is the day i'll kark it but hey keep trying

If ewe bothered paying attention in the build thread & Reading that which was written it was stated mini me was moded different to the other 2 & the floor level was welded in much lower to accomide the lecky.

mini me was also designed for jumpus to fish solo not to take 3 other people who each weigh virtually double what jumpus weighs

[Jumpus GooDarus]

So did you catch any fish or what JG? Even the pezmonster got amongst the kings today!

I know it's hard to believe but answeris no

For the 1st time in prob 15 year i actually felt seedy out there

Didn't want to be out there & came back in

[kkw]

Surprising. I thought it was very flat and smooth yesterday, but then I didn't look around the corner to see the NE swell Thought you would have been waterlogged, like I was. Didn't it pelt down at times yesterday. I only landed one fish - very poor.

[storms72]

Been looking around for a new car lately Jack and found this....might be a option if in a position to buy now otherwise keep an eye on the auction sites mate-grays, pickles and manheim fowles. We picked up my wifes car from Syd car auction for just over half its insured value.

http://www.pickles.com.au/general/item/-/d...about/352041451

[oz man]

What are you looking for in a car as the company I work for sells their cars each year once thay are3 years old.
They are fully maintained but have klm on them.
There should be 2 going for sale this year which are 2008 or 9 commodore Internationals. They ususlly sell from $9500 to $14000 depending on the trading offer.

[Fed]

What are the advantages for self draining floor?

If you accidentally sort of sink your boat it will pop up again.
Great for washing down you can throw heaps of water on the deck & it all just goes away.
If you're caught solo in bad weather and can't leave the helm you can piss on the floor if nature calls.

[nimrod]

Keep dreaming Gosling
The day you can ketch me out is the day i'll kark it but hey keep trying

If ewe bothered paying attention in the build thread & Reading that which was written it was stated mini me was moded different to the other 2 & the floor level was welded in much lower to accomide the lecky.
mini me was also designed for jumpus to fish solo not to take 3 other people who each weigh virtually double what jumpus weighs

Jumpy. this bit confushes me a tab, by Lecky It is my assumption you mean a electric outboard/trolling motor ?. If this IS the meaning, it is my belief that electric motors are bolted in some fashion to the upper bow position of the boat. ( some are transom mount, but i'm sure we are not talking about that format here ).
Could you explain ( in english so my tiny little brain could obsorb your explanation ) WHY the floor would be sitting lower than normal because of an electric outboard.
If I am wrong in my assumption ( which may well be the case ) then what do you mean by floor lower to accommidate electric ? do wires run under floor and therefor need to have LESS space between cavities.
Please explain!!!

[nimrod]

If you accidentally sort of sink your boat it will pop up again.Great for washing down you can throw heaps of water on the deck & it all just goes away.
If you're caught solo in bad weather and can't leave the helm you can piss on the floor if nature calls.

Fed I'm sure it would be nice if a boat would sort of pop up again after being sunk, but believe me that would have absolutely nothing to do with the self draining floor .
Once a self draining floor becomes lower than water lever it ceases to drain.

Self drain floor is a great assett for any boat, but the floor or at least the scarpers must be above water level.
My cruiser ( platie ) had self drain and it had sort of tennis balls engaged so that when you launched the boat the balls would float up and block the holes of the scarpers.
Very affective and was handy as that boat was moored and when it rained I didn't have to worry about covers or anything the rain would simply drain from the floor.

[poly]

The good thing about alloy is the resale value, if you paid 40k and used the boat for 5 years you'd still get over 30k for it considering you looked after it

Also consider with the 550 i think you'd be close to having to have a dual axle trailer am i right ?

if resale is the only consideration then if would have to be a poly, when I sold my boat after all costs had been add up I made $2.000 dollars clear profit, not bad for a plastic boat.

Paul

[Fed]

Your balls are only there to stop your feet getting wet if there\'s too many fat people sitting down the back Frank.
With a true self draining deck you could cut the sides off the boat at deck level & it would still float.
Jumpy reverses into the sea flooding his deck to clean it then his boat will just drain the water off.
I bet he doesn\'t even have any closeable scuppers on any of his boats.
Just checked the build threads, open holes at deck level as expected.

Edit: Minime has the a huge open scupper it's called a door.
http://www.fishingozstyle.com.au/forums/in...ost&id=1461

This post has been edited by Fed: Jan 25 2012, 05:43 PM

[nimrod]

Your balls are only there to stop your feet getting wet if there\'s too many fat people sitting down the back Frank.
With a true self draining deck you could cut the sides off the boat at deck level & it would still float.Jumpy reverses into the sea flooding his deck to clean it then his boat will just drain the water off.
I bet he doesn\'t even have any closeable scuppers on any of his boats.
Just checked the build threads, open holes at deck level as expected.

Edit: Minime has the a huge open scupper it's called a door.
http://www.fishingozstyle.com.au/forums/in...ost&id=1461

This has still got nothing to do with the self draining deck.
Once the scarpers are under water level they cease to function as a draining system.
Floatation and buoyancy is what keeps the boat afloat NOT the self draining aspect.
And I do believe we are talking about trailer boats in this topic, not full on trawlers.

[nimrod]

This has still got nothing to do with the self draining deck.
Once the scarpers are under water level they cease to function as a draining system.
Floatation and buoyancy is what keeps the boat afloat NOT the self draining aspect.
And I do believe we are talking about trailer boats in this topic, not full on trawlers.

OH and BTW to Jumpys outburst about NOOne of us ever owning a platie ( as in his mind, he is the only one that has ever owned or driven a plate boat ) here is just 1 of about 5 or 6 plate boats I have owned.

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That is a 4 tonne Canter truck that's towing it. Can show scarper self drain system if anyone interested.

[Fed]

When I talk about self draining decks Frank I mean a fully sealed deck where no water can get below the deck, I'm sure tour boat with the balls would have been like that otherwise there would be no point to it.

Let me give you an example, through a series of things going wrong and bad judgement I finished up anchored at the peak from the rear of the boat, swell + waves started coming over the transom.
Myself & 2 mates were standing at the bulkhead/steering wheel with the boat going under backwards at a 45 degree angle, the tops of both motors were 3 feet underwater and water was at our feet, we were going down fast.
I sent a volunteer down to cut the anchor rope and in less that 60 seconds we were fully afloat again.

Once the scarpers are under water level they cease to function as a draining system.
Floatation and buoyancy is what keeps the boat afloat NOT the self draining aspect.

If it wasn't self draining then the floatation/buoyancy wouldn't be able to lift the boat back out of the water. I think we're agreeing here just using different terms to express it.

BTW I think Jumpy lowered his gunnel/bow height to take a leccy then lowered the floor so he wouldn't fall out of his boat but wait for him to confirm that 100%.

[Spudly]

Ive had 3 boats with self draining hulls... they can be completly capsized and when righted they have no water in them! The back of the boats was completely open.

Have also had a boat which was not self draining but had scuppers with X ray sheets taped over the top edge, when water pressure pushed against them they sealed (pretty well) once underway they opened and all the water ran out of the boat.. you had to be underway though for it to drain...

In Mini Me's instance, is there enough buoyancy that if it was filled with water would it pop up and completely drain itself or would it stay with its deck below water. My guess is the second as with 3 people on the boat the deck drops below water level and a few inches of water run in.

[Fed]

It will pop up & completely drain itself Rumpus, you could push it to the bottom of the ocean & it would still pop up & drain itself.

[quintrex101]

Been looking around for a new car lately Jack and found this....might be a option if in a position to buy now otherwise keep an eye on the auction sites mate-grays, pickles and manheim fowles. We picked up my wifes car from Syd car auction for just over half its insured value.

http://www.pickles.com.au/general/item/-/d...about/352041451

Was browsing Pickles a few days ago myself and came across this boat as well. Looks like a really soild boat and you'd probably get it for a really good price. If you got it for 15k or under, a new 90HP four stroke would set you back around 13k last time i checked (Suzuki) even 12 for a 90 ETEC. Maybe spend 23k getting it fitted out, sounder, live bait tank rod holders etc and you'd have a great boat for around 30k

Edit: I know Toms dad has a very similar boat to this so i'm sure he'd have something to say about it !

This post has been edited by quintrex101: Jan 25 2012, 11:21 PM

[nimrod]

It will pop up & completely drain itself Rumpus, you could push it to the bottom of the ocean & it would still pop up & drain itself.

BUT not because it has a self draining system. All a self draining system does is allow water to escape and travel to a lower area. GRAVITY won't allow water to flow up hill, only pressure of some kind will.
Bouyancy NOT drainage is what floated the boat.

[Jumpus GooDarus]

Jumpy. this bit confushes me a tab, by Lecky It is my assumption you mean a electric outboard/trolling motor ?. If this IS the meaning, it is my belief that electric motors are bolted in some fashion to the upper bow position of the boat. ( some are transom mount, but i'm sure we are not talking about that format here ).
Could you explain ( in english so my tiny little brain could obsorb your explanation ) WHY the floor would be sitting lower than normal because of an electric outboard.
If I am wrong in my assumption ( which may well be the case ) then what do you mean by floor lower to accommidate electric ? do wires run under floor and therefor need to have LESS space between cavities.
Please explain!!!

From memory all explained in build thread

Quick version after taking 1st boat out for a run was easy to access what i wanted in my boat noted the floor level in conjuction floor level that boat wont cop any water coming though transom but that boat also had no transom door.

What i did on mini me was cut down frames by 60 mm which allowed me to lower floor level which in turn allowed me to also cut down sideskinsby around 80mm from memory this in turn allowed the mounting of lecky, longest shaft lecky is a 60 inch.

Now yung gosling think he's clever maybe one day he may learn he cant take on the might of Jumpus

Thought he'd be a smart arse but anybody of sound mind knows you cant take on Jumpus just ask me i'll tell ewe

Like i allready said mini me was built to my tastes & specs not to carry an extra approx 300 kg all aft with 150 kg of fuel also aft add to that lbt built into floor & not expect water to wash in onto the wet deck but just as quick as it wash's in it also washes out unless weight is transfered to bow.

That's the beaut thing with plate boats you can order them to your specs & dont have to contend with what comes out of the mould

[jack]

another question,

Bowriders come with outboard en mercruisers and I like the looks of the mercruisers (not having that big block sitting on the back)
I can think of a lower centre of gravity as a possible advantage of an inboard which may make it better in handling. but you loose a bit of internal space.
Are there any other opinions out there between the two?


Jack

[Fed]

Put it this way Frank if you go and sink a quintrex it will pop back up to the gunnels but Jumpy's boat will pop back up to where is started from. Sure it's buoyancy but without a self draining deck it won't fully float again by itself.

[Fed]

I'd go the outboard Jack leave the mercruisers for bigger boats.

I did have one and had no complaints at all but it was in a 20.5' boat.

[nimrod]

Put it this way Frank if you go and sink a quintrex it will pop back up to the gunnels but Jumpy's boat will pop back up to where is started from. Sure it's buoyancy but without a self draining deck it won't fully float again by itself.

Fed Are you telling me IF you get a quintrex that will float up to it's gunwales and you cut some holes in it's transom that boat would then magically rise to floor level.
Think about it a little . That is what you are saying. Think about it for a while..
So just think about it for a while.

It IS buoyancy, with the help of floatation of sorts that float a boat.

Think about it for a while.
Maybe a few more time and you might see where you are mistaken with the idea that self draining will float a boat.
Again THING ABOUT IT FOR A WHILE.

[jack]

I'd go the outboard Jack leave the mercruisers for bigger boats.

I did have one and had no complaints at all but it was in a 20.5' boat.

you had no problems with it but would not recommend it...why?

what makes them good in 20' and not ok in 16-17'

[Jumpus GooDarus]

Jack wouldn't touch a mercruise
Thirsty, weight issue just 2 probs
To work on another bitchb the list goes on

[Spudly]

Put it this way Frank if you go and sink a quintrex it will pop back up to the gunnels but Jumpy's boat will pop back up to where is started from. Sure it's buoyancy but without a self draining deck it won't fully float again by itself.

I dont think it would fed.. when it got water in it with 3 of us aboard we have to move our weight to get it to drain the water.. If all the water is sitting up front its not going to drain itself without either forward momentum or us shifting to remove it.. A fully self draining boat will rid itself of water no matter what.

Mini me is ALMOST SELF DRAINING..

I find myself agreeing with Frank here...

Like i allready said mini me was built to my tastes & specs not to carry an extra approx 300 kg all aft with 150 kg of fuel also aft add to that lbt built into floor & not expect water to wash in onto the wet deck but just as quick as it wash's in it also washes out unless weight is transfered to bow.

Im not trying to take you on but believe whatever you like... Just puttin forward my view as i see it, and personally Id call that a design flaw... If i was to build a fishing boat Id make sure it can handle a bit of extra weight.. You never know who is going to be on board. But thats my opinion.. Its your boat but and if thats how you like it then fine.. Just seems to limit its use to much to me.

Tell me though, where does the 300kg come from? Your weigh 60kg? i weight 90kg but the boat was built to handle 2 right? Are you saying Vern weighs 300kg? I know he got a belly but it aint that big?

[Spudly]

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[Spudly]

God your annoying... Frustrating.. A know it all.....

None the less, its good entertainment... Once you get back out here Ill teach you how to shoot again anyway, And Pez might give ya some lessons on catching girly fish, I hear her pulled on up the other day!

Oh and PS....

I got you to bite, even though you said you dont, you probably wont admit it but just to remind you! Maybe I was taking the piss too.... Or maybe not ??

Never owned a plate boat but went in a stabi and your within a few days and recon the stabi would eat your for breakfast too.. tongue.gif tongue.gif

I dont particularly care what boats people have or own

I'm just goodarus @ taking the piss out of peeps laugh.gif
The question in this thread was in regards to a plate boat & here you all are throwing everything from plastic to glass @ poor jack laugh.gif

Spud you can reckon all you like you've yet to do any serious boating/fishing offshore to form an opinion on which boat would have another for breakfast

[storms72]

Jack, been on a few with inboards-consider the limitation of how low the engine actually would mount on the boat you are considering and the difference between inboard and outboard would be minimal........JG has some good points on weight and economy........
Best advice I could offer is to wait a few months-dealers are always keen to work harder to sell once the peak season has finished....Beware of the amazing deal at the boat show-personally found better deal from my local poly dealer on a 4.8 than at last years boat show.

[Fed]

Fed Are you telling me IF you get a quintrex that will float up to it's gunwales and you cut some holes in it's transom that boat would then magically rise to floor level.

Yes providing there was enough floatation under the floor.

[Fed]

you had no problems with it but would not recommend it...why?

what makes them good in 20' and not ok in 16-17'

Just my own opinion Jack there's something just not right about a sterndrive in a small boat to me.

I have to say mine was very quiet up to about 3/4 throttle & very smooth but the dog box did intrude a fair bit being a 6 cylinder.

As was already said they are pretty heavy compared to outboards of the same HP.

I'd think an outboard would hold its resale value better than a sterndrive too.

[Bees Knees]

Sterndrives take up fishing space... If you dont fish and you ski, they'd be great to sit on!!

[jack]

Heavy, trickier to work on & thirsty, : that is useful thanks.

Waiting a few months: was planning to anyway. Using the boat show to have a look at different boats not neccesarily to buy, but when I have all my prices and info before than I might get a bargain.

Taking up fishing space: Also pointed out in my question but that is than indeed offset by having a good sundeck to lounge on when not fishing or sitting on when just wetting a line in the bay. This boat will be a compromise so please keep that in mind.

Keep them replies coming

Thanks

Jack

[Fed]

I never found mine hard to work on and being close to 20 years old when I got it there was a bit to do.
Just another learning curve.
I replaced drive water impeller (RWC), reco'd top gearbox, replaced shift cable, drive exhaust & shift bellows, figured out and fixed shift interrupt system, R&Rd riser, fixed auto choke & fixed hole in sump. Also got the trim rams reco'd by the marina.
This boat was moored for the best part of 20 years so you'd expect a few things to be wrong with it but once it was on a trailer I found it easy to work on.
I don't think you'd have to touch a new one for at least 10 years.
In the right boat I've got nothing but praise for them, I wouldn't mind one in say a 19' Haines.
Without a doubt they'd be more economical than a carby 2 stroke.

[jack]

what is more quiet? I/O or 4 stroke O/B

Jack

[Fed]

I haven't owned a 4 stroke OB Jack but I'll take a shot and say the OB would be quieter than the IO.

[poly]

there is another plus to consider, and that is the fact you don't need a marine mechanic to work on an inboard motor.

Paul