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[Fed]

He wants to also install a water tank out of aluminum for more weight. A tank with a few ribs welded in so the water won't slosh around. Now I think that this won't help at all. Water has no weight when on water right?

Big-Banana

[Jumpus GooDarus]

Wont the sloshing water wash away the BBQ sauce of the ribs making them tasteless & unappertising
Not to mention very salty

[nimrod]

Bet the same guy gives free advise for those prepared to listen.

[Fed]

Can anyone believe this from Sydney angler, Jumpy would last about 5 seconds.

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[nimrod]

Can anyone believe this from Sydney angler, Jumpy would last about 5 seconds.

Makes me wonder who it is that decides NO effort has been made,, the mods must believe they are holyier then others.
No more LOL's or ROFL's or any of that sort of nonsence,,,,, wonder if they allow the little cartoon blokes that make a post appear funny you know these blokes among others,, spose they would be conscruded as being in poor taste.

This is something I would expect from that other site, ( which I can't even remember the name of,, the one run by hubby and wife ) ( moreso the wife,, think she wears the pants in that lot ) but comes as a surprise from Sydney Angler.

This post has been edited by nimrod: Nov 2 2011, 02:07 PM

[Fed]

Fishraider Frank, they're just strange.

[Fed]

Some people should not be allowed to play with tools.

Re: Steering becam hard on 92 140 evinrude

I ran into a little issue. I pulled the old omc steering cable out, but i also pulled out the tilt tube i did not know it holds the motor, at first the motor did not even move. I came back to check on the boat and found the motor touching the ground and i noticed the brackets in which tilt tube goes, shifted back, so motor was just held by hydraulic lift in center. With help i placed the motor back in place and put the tilt tube back. Did i damage anything? i check the lift, by pulling the motor up and down many times seems to work as before.

Spencer.

[nimrod]

This is something that could easily happen.
I once had to remove the pinot tube to get the old morse cable out it had stuck that hard.

Still have the remains down the back somewhere, had to buy a new pinot tube.

This post has been edited by nimrod: Nov 3 2011, 02:33 PM

[kkw]

Can anyone believe this from Sydney angler, Jumpy would last about 5 seconds.

Yeah, and they wonder why there is so little activity on the site. Actually, Fishraider seems to have the most, at present. SFF has died in the past few months. Lucky to get a post per week. Fang Aus - well, let's not go there. A post per month and if it wasn't for Frank it would be a post per 6 months. Polyboats, same three guys posting. FishnTreks, two or three guys post. Same here - only a few loyal members posting.
What's the fishing world coming to

[nimrod]

Yeah, and they wonder why there is so little activity on the site. Actually, Fishraider seems to have the most, at present. SFF has died in the past few months. Lucky to get a post per week. Fang Aus - well, let's not go there. A post per month and if it wasn't for Frank it would be a post per 6 months. Polyboats, same three guys posting. FishnTreks, two or three guys post. Same here - only a few loyal members posting.
What's the fishing world coming to

When we first formed Fishnet 1995 ( then a different name ) we were the first to have a fishing forum in Australia, then came Ozfish and shortly after Sportsfish, basically we had the fishing sites of OZ pretty well wrapped up, and we had many many members and was growing at a pace we couldn't keep up. Then as more and more people started to devepop the skills to start their own forums, more and more sites were developed till lately every second net fisho has their own site with a few loyal members, there are literally hundreds of fishing sites going at the moment and many of them boast thousands of members, but there is only a hand full that has daily input with more than a couple of members.
95% of the sites are only forums, with the 5% left true web fishing sites with more to offer then just a forum.
Stats show that since 2002 when Fishnet had a major meltdown and we all had to re join the average daily post count still stands at 58 posts per day and that's average for 9 years,, but repidly decling these days and would only be at about 100-150 posts per week, so the average would be dropping every week.

I think you mean FANGNSW,, FANGOZ is still getting more then 1 post per day,,,,,Just

This post has been edited by nimrod: Nov 3 2011, 04:09 PM

[Bees Knees]

Re: The slow death of forums...

Nothing to do with the sites... social media, (which this is) has shifted in the last 4-5 years with Facebook and Twitter etc... There are some fishing pages on these sites as well... I dont frequent them though... I only post here and read over at SFF and read jumpy stirring up fishnet...

Jumpy's ideas of streaming his fishing trips live was a great idea that has missed the boat (so to speak) ... But i can take a photo on my phone and send it straight to Facebook and get 30 comments before i get off the water...
Its a lot easier than getting home f*cked and typing out a report and down loaded pics etc..

You've heard it here first... It will only be us on here getting a few extra mates along the way to keep in touch and share a little info... The world has moved ahed to quickly to turn these sites into massive concerns..

BTW, i like it like this...

[Fed]

Shouldn't poke fun at people who ask questions but this is classic and he does make out he's a boat person.

Playing with my boat whilst parked in the street recently (as you do) I noticed a significant difference between the bearing shown on my GPS and the compass.

Could not work out what was causing the compass difference, turned offf all electrics, no difference, in any case the compass is mounted well away from any wiring so should not be a problem.

Been thinking about this ever since and the only thing that I can think off is that the boat is parked under overhead power cables. (Normal street cabling and Foxtell etc).

Has anyone else had a similar experience?

Mystery!

Cheers
__________________
Haji

I know another bloke who reckons the wind blows the GPS signals away because he was driving down the freeway on a windy day & his car GPS was showing his car was running parallel but off to the side of the road.

[kkw]

I hear that titanium can screw up a compass bearing. Did you offer any suggestions as to the problem/fix?
Have you decided to get rid of all your fishing gear?

[Spudly]

Re: The slow death of forums...

Nothing to do with the sites... social media, (which this is) has shifted in the last 4-5 years with Facebook and Twitter etc... There are some fishing pages on these sites as well... I dont frequent them though... I only post here and read over at SFF and read jumpy stirring up fishnet...

Jumpy's ideas of streaming his fishing trips live was a great idea that has missed the boat (so to speak) ... But i can take a photo on my phone and send it straight to Facebook and get 30 comments before i get off the water...
Its a lot easier than getting home f*cked and typing out a report and down loaded pics etc..

You've heard it here first... It will only be us on here getting a few extra mates along the way to keep in touch and share a little info... The world has moved ahed to quickly to turn these sites into massive concerns..

BTW, i like it like this...

Thats a really good point Bee's.....

So many people bag out Facebook, and I agree in some ways with some of the crap that goes on, but as a way of keeping in touch with friends and sharing media it is unreal! especially with friends wo dont live close. I keep in touch with mates all over australia and feel like i seen em yesterday...

So Does anyone on here have a Facebook Account??? If so we should all link up...
I already run a page on FB for a 4x4/Camping Group im involved in. Would be very easy to setup a page for FOS too.. It may steal activity from this site though which is not what we want.

[Bees Knees]

Thats a really good point Bee's.....

So many people bag out Facebook, and I agree in some ways with some of the crap that goes on, but as a way of keeping in touch with friends and sharing media it is unreal! especially with friends wo dont live close. I keep in touch with mates all over australia and feel like i seen em yesterday...

So Does anyone on here have a Facebook Account??? If so we should all link up...
I already run a page on FB for a 4x4/Camping Group im involved in. Would be very easy to setup a page for FOS too.. It may steal activity from this site though which is not what we want.

Yeah, I'm on there... Bafoo is as well. Dont do a FOS page mate. It will kill this site. Look me up, I have done a Taylors Aluminium one as well... Already picked up some work from it..

[quintrex101]

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000996455067

Might be an easier way to organize a meet

[kkw]

Is it going to be a meet for FOS members or Facebook members? I'm not on facebook and will not be. Procrastination. There will not be a get together this year, I predict.

[quintrex101]

FOS memebers but if there was any changes or anything sending people inboxes on facebook would be a great idea, only problem like you pointed out is some people don't have facebook

[Jumpus GooDarus]

FOS memebers but if there was any changes or anything sending people inboxes on facebook would be a great idea

Cant see the logic behind that nor do i want to

Since it's supposed 2b a fos thing why go to facebook ?

Personally i refuse to have anything to do with facebook or twittertops

[Spudly]

not saying that facebook is the way.. but it sure is a easier way to stay in touch with people.....

if yas wanna do a chrissy gig in early jan at my place at sanctuary point then sweet,,,, can do that!

then we can all go for a fish in the bay or basin depending on weather,,

[Fed]

Facebook, what is it, I just don't get it.

[nimrod]

not saying that facebook is the way.. but it sure is a easier way to stay in touch with people.....

if yas wanna do a chrissy gig in early jan at my place at sanctuary point then sweet,,,, can do that!

then we can all go for a fish in the bay or basin depending on weather,,

I would sure be up for that, anywhere that's safe for my BBB boat ? can't do outside in it .

[nimrod]

Facebook, what is it, I just don't get it.

I seen a movie the other day FACEoff and that was hard to get also,,, had to keep remembering who was really who.

[Fed]

We can have the meet at our place if people want, Chipping Norton isn't too far for most people I guess.
Half the people on FOSs have been here before anyway...

Jumpy
Bees (but I pretended I wasn't home)
KKW
Majed
Catch22
SteveP

and we've had up to 50 people for other get togethers.

Got beer, BBQ, pool, pool table, big TV to amuse the kids, 3 big outdoor tables, plenty of chairs and a V8 airconditioner.

How about Sunday 4th, 10.00am 'til whenever?

[Fed]

I seen a movie the other day FACEoff and that was hard to get also,,, had to keep remembering who was really who.

Don't feel bad I didn't get it either, just too confusing I put it down to me going senile.

[quintrex101]

The basin sounds good at Chads, and also Feds on the 4th, maybe on the 4th we should do the meet at the club on Botany ? what's the name of it ? tell me and i'll make a thread and we'll get this thing going, seeing how there's only 10 members max that'll go, 2 weeks is more then enough notice

[nimrod]

The basin sounds good at Chads, and also Feds on the 4th, maybe on the 4th we should do the meet at the club on Botany ? what's the name of it ? tell me and i'll make a thread and we'll get this thing going, seeing how there's only 10 members max that'll go, 2 weeks is more then enough notice

IF you're talking about the 4th December, I will be down Burrinjuck dam fishing for Murray Cod and the like,, Cod opening starts 1st December and I go to burrinjuck every year to catch my first cod of the season.

If you guys end up having some sort of get together on that week end, just pretend I am there.

[Jumpus GooDarus]

Basin SUCKS

only weirdo's get down there

[Spudly]

just cause you dont know how to catch fish there!

[Jumpus GooDarus]

Yeah well i had to spend the day baby sitting baby potato didn't I

He may not be able to cook baby potato's but can sure cook an outboard motor

[oz man]

Sorry the 4th is out for me , I have to attend an executive committee meeting.
Which I called for so wouldn't be nice if I didn't turn up.

[Jumpus GooDarus]

Secret Womens Buisness ??????????????????????????

[oz man]

Secret Womens Buisness ??????????????????????????

I Wish it's about the townhouse I own at werrington and a couple of the tenants in the block of 14.

[Fed]

Found this as a pinned/sticky thread....

FISH RAIDERS RADIO CHANNEL - AGREED On 27Mgz is 86.00

I bet the coast guard will love these guys using 86 for boat to boat club chat.

[Fed]

Got the daily double here.

This is an extreme long shot but I have known it to happen,,,
When your tank was run with the breather closed, your tank would have created a vacume effect, plastic tank would have sucked in a bit steel tank just vacumed, now what happens in extreme cases is the primer bulb has a one way valve inserted to one of the end pieces that join onto the hose,, the suction of this MAY have dislodged this one way valve and twisted it around/floating within the bulb, and possibly lodged in the tube the wrong way around preventing fuel from getting past. When the flow of fuel ceases, when engine stopped, the valve drops to the bottom of the bulb allowing fuel to go through.
As I say a long shot.
Another possibility is when the tank suched in it dragged all the shit off the bottom of the tank and has blocked the fuel system filters etc.

Frank

When the engine stops ( as it would have to do to change plugs ) the pressure within the fuel line relaxes and allows the one way valve to fall free and allows enough fuel to get through,,, might go forever before fowling up again.

Frank

No wait! It's a trifecta, all from the same thread.

You never know what you sucked out of your fuel tank
when it was in a strong vacuum from leaving the breather closed !

Timbo45

This post has been edited by Fed: Dec 1 2011, 04:59 PM

[poly]

I just don't get it, is there a meat and great, franks place at the basin sounds good to me, Feds place sounds good to me, Chads place sounds good to me, the club were we met last time sounds good to me, have I missed any.

[Fed]

Anode is there for a reason
To sacrifice itself so the motor dosen't, it's not there to solve your steering woe's contrary to what people think.

Googleboy

[nimrod]

Got the daily double here.



No wait! It's a trifecta, all from the same thread.

And what is so wrong with my comments in that thread ?.

Have you never heard of a similar thing happening ?.

Frank

[Fed]

With the breather closed it's the fuel pump that creates the vacume and that vacume is uniform for all parts of the fuel system before the fuel pump.
This reduces the fuel flow and puts less pressure on primer bulb valves and the reduced fuel flow also lessens the chance of sucking up any debris from the tank.

[Fed]

The Viking was definitely a better sea boat but the Trailcraft is much easier to fish out of.

Haji


Nearly forgot that one, Haji's Viking was sure a good looking boat, way better looking than my babyshit brown one.

[nimrod]

With the breather closed it's the fuel pump that creates the vacume and that vacume is uniform for all parts of the fuel system before the fuel pump.
This reduces the fuel flow and puts less pressure on primer bulb valves and the reduced fuel flow also lessens the chance of sucking up any debris from the tank.

Really.

[Jumpus GooDarus]

Now du ewe guya believe me
Been telling ewes 4 ages Fed is a goose

He even wears wittle goose socks

Dead giveaway

[Fed]

Go and drain your water separator and change your anodes Jumpy.

[Fed]

This has gotta be the quote of the week from Testlab.

Most of those older omc engines do not have syncros.

WTF?

[bafoo]

like many - i was totally against facebook and only joind up mid 2011 and have never looked back.
With todays tecnology inbuilt to a mobile phone - one has a mini computer/ internet/phone/GPS etc right in the palm of their hands.

As Bees mentioned - fishing trips can be logged , photos taken and shared within an instant. Most people these days carry a I phone and with this the information is at our fingertips.

I browse forums every day and do most of it via my phone cause i can do it in my lunch break etc and not have to sit at a pc when i get home.

This forum is great however I feel that give it a few years - most people will be doing everything they do on a home computer via there portable phone and i mean everything.


Bafoo

[Fed]

I've got a 140 suzzie as well and it had me stuffed when I first got it fitted why it was pulling to one side so bad till I worked out the tab had to be turned opposite to the way the boat pulled.
Gozz

You wouldn't mind except these are people who claim to know what they're talking about & giving advice to others.

[Jumpus GooDarus]

"A furlong is the length of a horse."
Said by: Goose

[storms72]

ANY POST BY HAJI.....am I shouting

[Fed]

Here's another wanker.
The quote is in response to a picture put up of a boat with the trim tab turned to the right...

They can be strange and not always do what you expect but generally if you shifted it to opposite side it would turn the boat to the left. Then to go straight you turn the wheel slightly to the right resulting in a change in lean more to starboard.
Frozenpod

That Fishnet thread just won't die I'm tempted to join just to laugh at them.

[Jumpus GooDarus]

ANY POST BY HAJI.....am I shouting

WiYu make fun of haji that's dc job

Yo goose did you get a read @ that fuel leak sender thread

Some of these guys should be shot

[nimrod]

WiYu make fun of haji that's dc job

Yo goose did you get a read @ that fuel leak sender thread

Some of these guys should be shot

Some of them have been, or at least one has

sorry I missed most of todays events, just got back from docs

Fed why not join mate, but most of them are victorian so you gotta give them some leeway in the brain department.
Jumpy did you see your mate with the leaking tank got himself banned
That mod 1 bloke don't muck about.

This post has been edited by nimrod: Jan 9 2012, 01:24 AM

[Fed]

I'm wondering if he's got the fibre washers under the screw heads, it sure doesn't look like it.
Notice there's no goop around the screw heads either, do they think that threads seal fuel I wonder.
F**Ked if I'd be walking around on top of a fuel tank with a connected sender to boot,... arrr that's right... he's got CARPET! HaHaHaHa!

[Fed]

I won't join Frank they're too stupid for me to bother with and I'm not a fan of post deletion and banning.

[nimrod]

I'm wondering if he's got the fibre washers under the screw heads, it sure doesn't look like it.
Notice there's no goop around the screw heads either, do they think that threads seal fuel I wonder.
F**Ked if I'd be walking around on top of a fuel tank with a connected sender to boot,... arrr that's right... he's got CARPET! HaHaHaHa!

Yes mate pretty poor way to have a tank set up, but it's OK cause haines said it ism and wait for it, he has a eski that covers the sender and loose wires, so what could possibly go wrong.

[nimrod]

I won't join Frank they're too stupid for me to bother with and I'm not a fan of post deletion and banning.

You would soon change your mind on that subject if you had to sit through all their dribble.

[Fed]

Now some guy has suggested sanding one side of the hull.

[Fed]

Some 60 grit rubbed hard onto one side of the hull underneath, whatever side u want the boat to correct toward give it a good rub.

Same principle as shining one side of a cricket ball.

Ok...its only a theory at this point.
Freakish

Please make it stop!!!!

[Fed]

Hey what about the drain plug guy?
Someone should tell him to undo the old fitting & put a new one on.

[Jumpus GooDarus]

Jumpy did you see your mate with the leaking tank got himself banned
That mod 1 bloke don't muck about.

That guy was an utter goose frank

Mod1 did shoot me a friendly pm & i explained to him i refuse to let people get me angry & revert to taking the piss out of them to stay calm/level headed i'd rather be laughing than sulking

What gets me is all the worms who come out of the wood work when they think they've got me

That red guy is an utter twit the only time you'll ever see him rear his head is to have a go @ someone.

Dont worry if you follow the other threads you get a good idea most of the other guys dont get involved sit back & have a laugh @ what i post

[Jumpus GooDarus]

Now some guy has suggested sanding one side of the hull.

That's freckles i have alot of fun with him

That was actually a goodarus thread i'm just sitting back curious whether BC actually did solve the prob

But cant believe how some are still there posting about trim tab anode
Maybe you should register Fed & explain to them the difference between lean & turn ???

They wont risten to me

[Spudly]

Had me worried, My haines is a newer model, but my tank is nothing like that, the sender is on the back of the tank.

[Jumpus GooDarus]

Spud that boat has had it's floor up no Q about that nor is that a factory fitted sender
Some of those guys are bigger gooses than ewe no hu

[nimrod]

That guy was an utter goose frank

Mod1 did shoot me a friendly pm & i explained to him i refuse to let people get me angry & revert to taking the piss out of them to stay calm/level headed i'd rather be laughing than sulking

What gets me is all the worms who come out of the wood work when they think they've got me

That red guy is an utter twit the only time you'll ever see him rear his head is to have a go @ someone.

Dont worry if you follow the other threads you get a good idea most of the other guys dont get involved sit back & have a laugh @ what i post

Jumpy I will tell you something about that red guy but it would have to be done in PM, if you want to hear it.

[Jumpus GooDarus]

Good guess he's got 2 user names

Comes out as red when he wants to bitch

[nimrod]

Good guess he's got 2 user names

Comes out as red when he wants to bitch

No only the one user name, you're probably not interested but i will tell you anyway.

[Spudly]

No only the one user name, you're probably not interested but i will tell you anyway.

Tell me! hahaha

[Fed]

Tell me too! HaHaHa

[Fed]

My haines is a newer model, but my tank is nothing like that, the sender is on the back of the tank.

Never seen one mounted on the side rumpus I think it's about time you did a thread on the boat with plenty of pics.

[Jumpus GooDarus]

This quote was a classic

Leaves the gumballs quote for dead guess who said it & what it's refering to

I want Rocket Jumpers for the boat

[Fed]

Here we go again, picture showed a trim tab turned to the right.

You've posted a clear photo of your tab and the way it is pointed will do two things:
1: Looking at the prop and tab as you photographed it, think of the water coming past the tab towards you, it will hit the right side of the tab and want to turn the bow to the right, so you may have to turn the steering to the left to counteract that.
The test is, when you're underway, let go of the steering wheel and if the boat tracks right, the back of the tab, as you look at it, has to be turned to the left. Make slight adjustments until it tracks straight.


2: Because the tab is below the C of G of the boat mass, the water hitting the right side of the tab will roll the hull clock-wise or to starboard.
The more it's straightened, the less affect it will have on lean.
Thrillseeker

It only goes to prove that these posters HAVE NEVER DONE IT THEMSELVES.

[Fed]

Who wants the rocket jumpers, you must be getting under someone's skin.

[Jumpus GooDarus]

They've got no idea @ all Fed

Then they want to have a go @ me for trying to set the record straight

It's all they know trim tab anode 90% of them wouldn't have a clue on how to drive/trim out a motor/'s to settle a boat so it's driving true

Not all boats are built with same degree angle on transom where motor gets bolted to hell i even had to go 8 degree wedges on mini me to get it runing trurer.

Since gone with last mods

[Fed]

Nothing wrong with adjusting the anode but you'd think they would know which direction to adjust it.
They all seem to think the anode is a rudder for some reason.

I think they're all losing touch because of the NFB & higher ratio hydraulic steering.

[Fed]

Finally some sanity, let's see how many of the wankers eat some humble pie now.

I will say it one more time, the tab steers the MOTOR, not the boat, it does NOT act like a rudder as such on the boat, it steers the motor, that in turn steers the boat, you need to be very clear about that, or you will adjust it oposite to what you think.
Noelm1

[Spudly]

As far as i have understood the trim tab is only to counteract the turn of the prob which trys to turn the motor one way making the steering turn one way easier and the other harder. Its equalizes this by putting a small amount of turn on the motor to make the steering balanced.

[Fed]

The prop has nothing to do with it Rumpus, it's the engine block trying to turn in the opposite direction to the crankshaft.

Go & give your car a small rev while it's in gear with your foot on the brake and watch the engine block try & turn in the engine bay, same thing.

If I give my outboard a rev on the flusher my motor immediately flicks to the right and the prop is not even in the water.

Another point to ponder, twins running one counter rotating gearbox & prop.
They do not cancel each other out because the engines are not counter rotating so they will both still try to turn to the right.

Now if one of the actual engines was a counter rotator then they would cancel each other out completely.

And then there's trim which is a whole new ball game when you consider the attack angle of the prop blades in a negative trimmed or positive trimmed situation.
The moment the prop shaft is not running parallel to the water surface a steering pressure is exerted by the unbalanced blade attack angle from port to starboard.
All of this gets back to people using their trim to counteract a forward/aft weight distribution problem, I see it all the time.

I think a lot of these guys posting have never had cable steering so the NFB hydraulic c/w higher steering ratios is masking what their boats are actually doing.

They should run their boats with a temporary tiller steer to get it set up then connect their hydraulic steering feeling confident if they ever blow a hydraulic hose the boat won't do an instant U turn and chuck them in the water.

[Spudly]

Disagree Fed.... Often Counter rotators will have straight tabs as they dont need them, a car engine jumps because of the weight of the flywheel spinning.. Thats why cars have flywheels to provide that turn. If the case was that the motor was trying to turn the boat then it would have not as great effect on the lean as the prop turning would as the prop is trying to spin the boat sideways, just like a drill spears off if you dont have a pilot hole..

"Torque trim tabs help to counteract the effects of torque, or wheel-walk, on the vector of the boat. Wheel-walk is a phenomenon that is created by differing water pressure at the top and the bottom of the propeller. As the propeller rotates through the water, the pressure at the bottom of the propeller is greater than the pressure at the top. This creates greater drag at the bottom than at the top and makes the propeller try to "walk" sideways through the water.

This makes a right-handed prop (clockwise rotation) move laterally through the water, and makes the stern of the boat swing to the right, making the boat turn to the left when underway. Counter-steering with the helm will not correct this and will only succeed in making the entire boat move at an oblique angle to the direction that the bow is pointing."

[Spudly]

ust thought, another example of this is when docking a boat... Coming into a wharf at a diagonal and then hiting reverse will bring the stern of the boat into the wharf if you come in the right way, if you come in the wrong way it will move the stern away from the wharf.. In a Clockwise rotating prop you want to approach a wharf with the starb. side closer and then when you hit reverse the boat should skew into position.

[Fed]

Disagree Fed

Then we'll have to agree to disagree Rumpus.

Often Counter rotators will have straight tabs as they dont need them

Just because people don't know how it works doesn't make it right unless you're talking about counter rotating engines and then I agree they will cancel each other out.

a car engine jumps because of the weight of the flywheel spinning.

The block of a car engine will try and spin in the reverse direction to the crankshaft.
Same as an outboard motor will try & spin in the reverse direction to the crankshaft, OMC even have a built in bias in the trim tab so that when you set it straight it's already got it's trailing edge pointed towards the starboard side.

If the case was that the motor was trying to turn the boat then it would have not as great effect on the lean as the prop turning would as the prop is trying to spin the boat sideways, just like a drill spears off if you dont have a pilot hole..

I have no idea what you are trying to say there mate so I'll put that down as jibberjabber for now.

"Torque trim tabs help to counteract the effects of torque, or wheel-walk, on the vector of the boat. Wheel-walk is a phenomenon that is created by differing water pressure at the top and the bottom of the propeller. As the propeller rotates through the water, the pressure at the bottom of the propeller is greater than the pressure at the top. This creates greater drag at the bottom than at the top and makes the propeller try to "walk" sideways through the water.

This is an interesting point you've brought up Rumpus and I think most people are aware that if you're pulling up at a wharf (say 45 degrees on starboard side) and hit reverse with a clockwise prop the boat will skew sideways but tell me this, with higher water pressure on the bottom of the prop & the prop going in reverse why doesn't it skew the back of the boat to the port?

This makes a right-handed prop (clockwise rotation) move laterally through the water, and makes the stern of the boat swing to the right, making the boat turn to the left when underway. Counter-steering with the helm will not correct this and will only succeed in making the entire boat move at an oblique angle to the direction that the bow is pointing."

Same as my answer above but reverse the observation to allow for the boat being underway.
I don't dispute the paddle wheel effect at all but you'd think a clockwise rotating prop would walk to the right while underway. I personally believe that effect is so small it's hardly worth mentioning in the context of the discussion.

I'm sticking with the function of the trim tab to counteract the engine torque, the beauty of doing it this way is that the correction is done with water pressure on the tab and being an external force none of this load is transmitted into the hull through the steering and that it's self regulating, as the HP increases so does the speed & so does the pressure on the trim tab.

In a Clockwise rotating prop you want to approach a wharf with the starb. side closer and then when you hit reverse the boat should skew into position.

How do you explain that when the higher water pressure is at the bottom of the prop, the prop is spinning anti clockwise therefore the back of the boat should move to the port.

Interesting shit eh?

This post has been edited by Fed: Jan 9 2012, 11:04 PM

[Spudly]

Damn, do you have to write so much, its hard to reply to it all...

Same as an outboard motor will try & spin in the reverse direction to the crankshaft, OMC even have a built in bias in the trim tab so that when you set it straight it's already got it's trailing edge pointed towards the starboard side.

Most trim tabs have this bias (i assume you mean a concave in the tab) for counters the concave faces the opposite way, if you have twin counters you can get straight ones with no bias. with twins you have much more control over the whole boat also.

This is an interesting point you've brought up Rumpus and I think most people are aware that if you're pulling up at a wharf (say 45 degrees on starboard side) and hit reverse with a clockwise prop the boat will skew sideways but tell me this, with higher water pressure on the bottom of the prop & the prop going in reverse why doesn't it skew the back of the boat to the port?

Was refering more to a boat at speed in this post.

The block of a car engine will try and spin in the reverse direction to the crankshaft.

The engine is balanced, its only the initial burst of torque that turns the engine, then it will balance and sit in its operating position, so by what your saying here is that the boat will only require a trim tab when you are increaseing the revs of the motor, not at a fixed rpm which is incorrect, the probelm exists at fixed speeds and therefore must come down to prop torque not engine torque??

EDIT; Im still thinking bout this but biit sunburnt and sore so will have to get back to this....

[Fed]

Hold your foot on the brake in an auto car and increase the revs, you will see the block turn in the bay and stay there until you take your foot off the throttle.

Boats are always going uphill so the engine is always trying to turn in the opposite direction to the crankshaft.

Mercs don't have a built in bias, does your Yammy have one?

[Fed]

In a Clockwise rotating prop you want to approach a wharf with the starb. side closer and then when you hit reverse the boat should skew into position.

How do you explain that when the higher water pressure is at the bottom of the prop, the prop is spinning anti clockwise therefore the back of the boat should move to the port.

[Jumpus GooDarus]

Wizzed through the goose V potato battle

Spud the point you're missing is the guys going on & on & more on about the anode is every one of them has got NR steering

Did battle with that Nolem chappy a while back & now he's echo'n what i told him

Prob with most of these guys is they fail to read what original poster has written & go off 1/2 cocked intheir own world

[Spudly]

Yea, im not reading through all that shit, im just going on what was said on here about why the boat has the trim tab (engine tab not boat tabs)

I still beleive that under way the prop turque has more effect on the motor than the engine torque in trying to steer or tilt the boat..

but im sore and tired and cant think clearly so ill have to come back to it..

[Spudly]

Ok, another quick one FED...

In a counter setup, the engine still turn the same way, just the gearbox is reversed, so the props spin opposite, therefore the boat becomes balanced? Wouldnt this point to the prob having more to do with the trimming??

[Jumpus GooDarus]

I still beleive that under way the prop turque has more effect on the motor than the engine torque in trying to steer or tilt the boat..

Do you recall pez telling me to trim my starboard motor down

To which i replied

Shut the F Up tis my boat & that's where she needs to be ???

Today different load on board different conditions it was a different trim on motors

Prob with alot of peeps is they just dont know how to drive a boat & they get up on threads & give advice to others

[Spudly]

Yea but one or both of your motors are cavitating half of the time they are underway!

Guuess your eyesight cant hear it form up the front?

;)

[Jumpus GooDarus]

Not what my taco's were saying

[Spudly]

Not what my taco's were saying

Oh Jumpus!! They were trying to tell you but you wouldn't stop talking for long enough for them to get a word in...

Besides, anyone with years of expertise would know, digital instruments are only an indication... a good skipper would listen and feel how the boat was behaving..


Hey While on the topic of instruments.. Any idea's why my Navman 6500 is not giving a temperature reading, havnt been able to find anything in manual or online. Sits on 0.0dC..

[Jumpus GooDarus]

Hey While on the topic of instruments.. Any idea's why my Navman 6500 is not giving a temperature reading

Cause it's a toy people put on their 1/2 boats no ther possible reason
So navman dont bother installing sensor probe in the tranny

[Spudly]

Your probably right, only people with big green plate boats install probes into tranny's!?

[Bees Knees]

Your probably right, only people with big green plate boats install probes into tranny's!?

Hehehehehe... Nice work Rummy... Just spat my coffee...

[Fed]

I was thinking Rumpus and that's always dangerous.

Do you think the paddlewheel effect could be a shaft drive thing because I've got to say I've never really noticed it with an outboard but it was very pronounced in the old Gudma which was shaft drive. Because of the angle of the shaft & prop it would change the blade angle from top to bottom and all make sense then.
I don't believe the top to bottom difference in water pressure mate it would be SFA.
I used to rely on it heavily to park the old shaft drive Gudma at the wharf.

Getting back to the Mexican goose I think if he turned the trailing edge of their trim tab harder to starboard & got a decent prop his leaning would disappear.
Edit: Trimming out would help him too.
Another interesting point, Jumpy runs all his trim tabs straight but I guess that doesn't mean much because..... you know.

This post has been edited by Fed: Jan 10 2012, 04:13 PM

[Spudly]

Another interesting point, Jumpy runs all his trim tabs straight but I guess that doesn't mean much because..... you know.

I know!

[Jumpus GooDarus]

Ewe & Shinny head know jack shite

All trip down to spuds it was jumpy whats this for whats that for on my brand new 1/2 boat

Ewe had to settle for a 1/2 boat cause jumpy wouldn't sell you mini me a full boat

[Spudly]

I think they got you Lady JAJAGEE, my tank looks exactly the same, only the sender is mounted on the back face of the tank, behind where the filler/pickup/breather are.

[Jumpus GooDarus]

Did they ???

Keep watching the thread & watch the master unleashed

[Spudly]

im waiting! ;)

[Jumpus GooDarus]

Think they're hiding from me spud

Want a few more to to say what tanks were made off

prob with most of those guys is they dont observe, read or have capacity to think, just jump on lets get jg bandwagon

[Spudly]

what is your point though? You said that the setup was not factory and it appears that it is factory no??