Bloody Boat Motors Options

[jasonb]

i put me old 6hp redband in for a compression test and to get a few seals replaced ,and i had to get a new prop shaft as someone got the shits and hit it with a hammer ,nah i dropped it ,and they rang me a week later to tell me what it was gonna cost ,,,,get this a new prop shaft $870 for a 30 yr old motor ,so she wont be gettin fixed and if anyone needs an anchor its your s ,,,,so for christs sake look after them and be careful

[Majed]

Thats bloody expensive to fix..definetely get another motor.

[quintrex101]

jas you could just buy a motor like that for around 300 bucks and swap the shaft over, hahahha

[jasonb]

theres none around anymore for that reason

[CATCH22]

sell in to a musium...hahaha or pant it funny colour and use it tin the graden as an orniment .................jas jas jas oi oi oi ..goodonya

[SUMOFISHIN]

Jason,
it was no fallacy when they were labelled as a BLACK ANCHOR.

[nimrod]

Put it on Ebay. Even with it's problem you will still get a couple of hundred for it.
Frank

[poly]

yep frank there is always some one looking to buy

[jasonb]

yeah good thinkin nimrod

[Jumpus GooDarus]

Wouldn't think you could get a new prop shaft for that motor.

Forget it for that price you can get a relatively new 2nd hand motor

[jasonb]

yeah thats what im thinkin mate ,,just have too keep an eye out ,cause i dont want to buy a piece of rubbish ,,not when the kids are in the boat ,so i might have to think abotu a new one ,the 8hp tohatsu are $1800 SO I MIGHT HAVE TO SEE THE BANK MANAGER

[poly]

jas have u seen these i don't know any thing about them but have a look

http://www.worldoutboards.com/

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/9-9hp-PARSUN-Outboa...1QQcmdZViewItem

This post has been edited by poly: Feb 18 2008, 10:35 PM

[SUMOFISHIN]

POLY/Jason, these motors are Chinese made, they are made in the casting moulds of the Original Yamaha Outboards, and made to Yamaha specs, all parts are interchangable with Yamaha parts.

[poly]

They are cheep sumo how do u think they will go

[quintrex101]

hey poly there on e-bay and the 9.9 go for AU $1,450.00

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/9-9hp-PARSUN-Outboa...1QQcmdZViewItem

they seem the go

[quintrex101]

seen this, they are cheap, look jas a extra 100 bucks then the tohatsu and it 15 four stroke

New 15HP Four Stroke Osprey Outboard

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/New-15HP-Four-Strok...ZViewItem\

[jasonb]

nah not them not with the kids in the boat ,,,its bloody frustrating lookin at all the motors ,this shits me ,i might just buy a new set of paddles i think,just when i sell the camper and go to buy a new motor the missus stuffs it up and says ,oh you got rego on your car in 2 weeks ,shit ,there goes all that money ,,,aaaaaaarrrrggggghhhhhh

This post has been edited by jasonb: Feb 20 2008, 01:42 AM

[SUMOFISHIN]

Poly, I have heard only good about them, word is that they are as reliable as the Japanese made units, they are built to the same Blueprints using the same dies and methods.

They have been on the Australian market for a while first as SAIL then Osprey, And Parsun No doubt they are also selling under a few other names as Australian Importers can get the factory to produce them under their own label if they order a 40ft container load at a time.

CHECK OUT THE PRICE

Model: F25BM
Brand: PARSUN
Origin: Made In China
Category: Industrial Supplies / Fishery Machine
Keywords: outboards , outboard engine , outboard motor
Price: USD $ 1 / pc

Min. Order: 10 pc

This post has been edited by SUMOFISHIN: Feb 20 2008, 02:18 AM

[poly]

SUMO I have heard nothing one way or the other, so if u have more info on them it may be of interest to the other members, so please post it if u can or give us some links to read up on them.

[jasonb]

it just worries me buying stuff like that ,that has no history or a good name ,,,,,specially chinee stuff ,it might be molded like the yammies but ill bet the internals arent the same quality as what the major brands use ,ide rather wait and spend $ 500 more and have peice of mind with it ,,,,,,

[poly]

i must agree to a point JASON, but if we all wait for the good name to build up they will never sell a motor and will never gain a good name :o :o :o

[jasonb]

yeah true ,,,you buy one then tell me what its like ,,,haahahahha,,,mate i cant afford to buy one and then it die in 2 years and then have too go and buy another motor ,gotta member im not rich so im a tight arse hahaahaahaha,,just had a lookie on ebay at the parsun and i dont like them ,plus all the things ive heard about all this chinese stuff makes me worry so ill just have to wait til ron i spose ,,

This post has been edited by jasonb: Feb 20 2008, 11:53 PM

[SUMOFISHIN]

Here is some refoilcats
Stephen Join Date: Mar 2007
Rep: 10 Posts: 16
Location: Auckland

Sail Outboard motor Review

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I have seen and used some sail outboards 15hp and 40hp and have giving them a good trial, they seem to go well and also know the maunfacture and have visited them and continuosly follow the progress of the sail outboards and can get them for people if they want,
From our experience with using them and exploring them the quality is good and would compare it to a Tohatsu in earlier days,
The main let down I could see they had cheapened the Pull start sytem which needs improvement, also some of the plastics in fuel sytem are not so great,
As far as the tank and hoses goes its the same fittings, theres no electric start or tilts which is a hassle, and no electric starts at all yet that we are aware of,
Mercury make alot of there motors in China so these may becoming availble shortly,
With the right to the yamaha design it is old yamaha motors that they have replicated but not 100% they may have started with old molds for casting or they have replicated them and the factorie has no problems from yamaha we are aware of and the factorie also says they have every right to sell this technology.

There also has not been any contact from yamaha to any of the resellers that we are aware of,

I would welcome any news about this subject, especially for the parsun outboards and sail outboard, if you want more information on the sail outboards or Parsun outboards or the Star diesel outboards, see www.sailoutbaords.co.nz or www.outboards.cn which has all the petrol and diesel outboards currently available from China.

As far as we know from a Chinese Associate the parsun outboards are better quality and I have seen them to touch but havnt tested them yet,
The Parsun outboards Manufacture is a off shoot of the Sail outboards as the management had a split early in the piece,

The Parsun 4 strokes outbaords which are available in sizes from 2.5hp up to 15hp, There is a 25hp 4 stroke also becoming availble in June,

the Outboards are tank tested for 500hrs before they are released for sale,

I have some 40hp and 15hp sail outboard samples to test and view in Auckland. call 64 (0)21 2022193 ask for Stephen
views.




Drive Manufacturer Who Actually Builds the Drives
Bombardier/OMC
Johnson and Evinrude Under both builders, from the powerhead down, the major differences in Johnson and Evinrude are the cowls and paint color.
Until 2006, Suzuki manufactured the Johnson four strokes up to 225 HP.

For 2006 Suzuki only makes the Johnson four strokes up through 30 HP, Evinrude produces direct injected two strokes (E-Tec) 40 HP and above.

Nissan Nissan outboards are built by Tohatsu
Honda Long ago, some Honda three cylinder powerheads were mounted on Mercury drive legs and props. For the last several years, Honda has built its full line of outboards.
Mercury Marine 2006 model Mercury four strokes from 2.5 through 30 HP are built by Tohatsu.
Before Yamaha entered the U.S. market, Mercury's Mariner line was built by Yamaha.

Last year (2005), Mercury four stroke powerheads from 25 through 225 HP (except the Verados) were built by Yamaha. Several of those models used Mercury drive legs, electronics and EFI systems (replacing carbs Yamaha used in similar sized engines).

In 2006 models, Mercury four stroke powerheads from 40 to 225 HP (except the Verados) are built by Yamaha.

Mercury's agreement with Yamaha ended in March 2006, at which time Mercury is expected to phase in more four cylinders (75 to 115 HP) based on the Verado engine block, but without supercharging or intercooling.

[jasonb]

mate thats a good read but as i said ill have too wait until i can afford to get a name brand one ,,,,,,,thanx mate ,,they sound good but i cant afford to buy something that might die just after the warranty runs out ,,,,at least with the main brands all the things ive heard are good with the warrenty even after it officially runs out ,plus osprey and sail prolly dont have a 3 year warrenty ,,,,

[jasonb]

i know what ,,,,,youse buy 1 give it too me if yas reckon there that good ,,hows that lololol,,,,,,i know what the answer will be too

[quintrex101]

Suzuki give a 5 year warranty with there outboads so you could buy one that 3 years old and still got 2 years wattanty left

[jasonb]

yeah mate exactly ,thats what i mean about the name brands ,they give alot better warrenty ,,

not to sound like an arsehole or anything but how many of you guys have the motors on your boats right now ? and why not lololol

This post has been edited by jasonb: Feb 22 2008, 11:05 PM

[It'l Do]

Suzuki give a 5 year warranty with there outboads so you could buy one that 3 years old and still got 2 years wattanty left

Are the warranties transferable?
I have a suspicion they are not.

Agree with buying a name brand though, as you have proven spare parts are expensive and who knows if you will be able to get parts for a new comer in a few years.

[Jumpus GooDarus]

Steer clear from the non proven brands.

Wait till you've got the money to buy the real thing, nothing like owning new then it's up to you as to how well you treat it & lasts.

I never bother reading reviews main reason being I'd most likely get cranky reading what was written & of course the good reviews will say El Cheapo motors are good they're trying to sell you one.

Buying a motor is not the same as say buying a fishing reel big deal reel craps itself then you're out of pocket a few hundred $$'s @ worst case senario.


ps] If I were you I'd get myself a pair of 6 hp oars till you're ready for the motor

[jasonb]

exactly jumpy ,i agree 100%,they tell you what you want too here ,and suck you in ,,,,thats y ya never here anything good about them,,,,and how many boat shops do you see these engines in for sale brand new ,,,,,

This post has been edited by jasonb: Feb 23 2008, 03:47 AM

[Jumpus GooDarus]

I was reading SUMO's comments early in the thread where one of the motors suggested cant recall which one.

Anyways motor can take geniune Yamaha parts.

Here's something for you to think about.

If the El Cheapo motor keeps breaking down down the track after the warrantee has expired.

If it's a problem motor then what you'll pay for the Yamaha geniune parts ???? outweighs any initial savings that you may have had , not to mention the frustration.

Take my word for it the quality of original parts would be poor so they will break down.

That merc lasted 30 years B4 it shat itself somehow dont think those cheapies will go anywhere new that.

[jasonb]

thats it mate true ,if i could find another prop shaft i would use it ,but then i havent looked real hard ,because the motor as you said is at least 30 years old so its time to upgrade ,,soon ,,,

[quintrex101]

jump it is still working he just too tight to replace the prop shaft : just joking i would not pay that too

[jasonb]

ahahahahh you can have it for your new boat sc if you want ,,,,

[Jumpus GooDarus]

jump it is still working he just too tight to replace the prop shaft : just joking i would not pay that too

Daniel you wouldn't bother & best off just getting a new gearbox [2nd hand of course] if the prop is sliping then there's a good chance the gears are on the ratchet side.

Anyways good news my back has come GooDarus but I'm burning up with a fever so I'm off to bed C Ya's Ron

[quintrex101]

must have been some of that take away food you eat when your back was bugger and you could not get to the frigde

[poly]

Hmmmmmmmm well it was just a thought that i had regarding the motor, as i said, i new nothing about them and it has made for some good reading so far, lets take J.G. example of the reel, at this moment the site is running a comp to win a reel from viva Chinese made i would think, now there is no way that j.g. would put up crap for the members to try for so it stands to reason that the quality control in the factory were they are made is very good, the so called name brands have there reel made in Chinese factory's, there is also large numbers of car parts coming out of China now as well, so why is it that they could not have a reasonable outboard made there.

Hmmmm well just thinking out loud, we must all get what will suit us best, and jas if u got 30 years out of the old merc i would be looking at getting an other one.

[Jumpus GooDarus]

poly virtually all the reels on the market today are made in China dosen't matter what brand they are.

I put up one of the better models as the prize but let me tell you geez there are some crap about as well, I threw out box's of those.

Some had very poor alloy in the gear casting & they would snap even though they were new.

What you have to remember these manufacturer's no matter who they are cater for a wide scope of the market & the biggest portion of the market is for those who dont want to spent the $$'s & prefer to buy cheap.

Same goes with these cheap chinese motors even though wages are around $200 per month in china these guys would be shimming on the quality control aspect of these El Cheapo outboards & the difference is you'd be out on the water if & when they broke down & thats not a pleasant thought.

Esp in jason's case with 3 young daughters to worry about.

Let me ask you a Q poly ????

Why didn't you buy one instead of the Yammy ????????????????

[poly]

to be honest j g i had never herd of them, but if i had i would have taken a look that doesn't mean i would have bought one though unless they met my needs

[jasonb]

righto ,ive got the shits now ,,,,,,im sick of lookin ,,,,,nothin around tamworth to inverell to gunnedah to muswelbrook ,,,,all on ebay are pickup plus im worried about buying one off there cause i dont know if its stuffed or not ,,,,so im lookin at stripping down me old hanimex ,gettin it bored out and get a new piston and rings ,,,,,

[jasonb]

our mechanic here has been a small engines mechanic for the last 15 years so with any luck we should be able too do bloody something ,,,

This post has been edited by jasonb: Feb 27 2008, 12:58 AM

[jasonb]

well im done ,,,we knocked the head off and the rings are half shot and the bore is scored ,we rang around to try and match the rings and cant get none ,so thats it ,,ill resort to paddles ,might make me a bit fitter as well ,,,

[poly]

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Mercury-boat-motor_...1QQcmdZViewItem

JAS take a looky

[jasonb]

looks nice mate ,,thanx ,but i got a motor ,actually 3 for $50,,,yeah i know ,there is 2 8hp and 1 10hp ,there chryslers ,,sumo put me onto them ,,,,righto have a go at me if yas want to ,,,,,

[poly]

not at all, if they do the job thats koooool

[jasonb]

even if i have to get a new impellor and at worse piston and rings its cheaper then a new prop shaft for the merc ,and will go like a new one ,,,,i hope

[jasonb]

i just gotta see where online i can get parts and what ones are still available

[poly]

strike me Jas i hate to say this but i think u will find it very hard to get the bits u need, dam i hope i am wrong :o :o :o

[jasonb]

ive had a bit of a google and there is a few places around ,but i will know more when i find out what models they are ,,,sumo thinks he can get some parts for them too,,plus there is a guy called poly that gets me pretty cheap parts ,,,,hahahaahahha

This post has been edited by jasonb: Feb 29 2008, 03:59 AM

[jasonb]

i got me new old motors ,,they look a bit rugged ,but 1 has a good engine and a shitty cowl and broken handle ,and 1 has a seized engine ,the rings are seized but the rest of it is great ,so ill swap the engines and replace the water pump impellor and she should be right ,oh and a coat of paint ,,they are 8hp ,,,,,,the 10hp looks god but it has a hole each side of the leg above the gearbox ,a fairly big hole ,that wont be hard to fix ,,the engine feels good too,so i may end up with 2 out of 3 ,so im happy with that ,,not bad for $51 hey ,,,,,

[SUMOFISHIN]

Good onya Jason, Let us know when you get one up and running, but no pics until you do a paint Job.

[poly]

NO we need before and after photos Sumo, so all can see what a good job Jas dose on them

[SUMOFISHIN]

I've seen some before shots, NOT a pretty site!

[Jumpus GooDarus]

so im lookin at stripping down me old hanimex ,gettin it bored out and get a new piston and rings ,,,,,

Cool !

So you'll have a motor that can take photo's huh ????

[jasonb]

yeah ill get some piccies morrow ,,,i done a search on the model no and ,1 8hp is a 71",the other is a 75"thats the one thats seized ,and the 10 is a 68" 69",but i cant notice anything bad on them except for the holes in the side of the 10hp but with a bit of sikaflex that problem may be solved ,,,,,were still waiting on tamworth bloody chainsaw and mower specialist about the rings for me hanimex ,,but even though if i cant get any i can take a bit off the head and get a bit more compression ,,but she still goes anywho ,,,,whats wrong with a motor that can take piccies jump wasnt that long ago we had mobile phones that did it ,,,aw wait they still do ,,,,haahahahh,,saves carrying a camera about ,,,just face the motor and smile ,,,,

This post has been edited by jasonb: Mar 1 2008, 01:08 AM

[poly]

Jas there is some goo called cemeweld that we used to fix the holes in the rocker covers on B.M.W. MOTOR BIKES and it worked a treat, i am not sure of the spelling so cem-e-weld.
when this stuff drys out u can drill it, tap it, and thread it, just like alloy, how long it would last in salt water i have no idea :o :o :o

[jasonb]

thats good poly ill look at that stuff ,,but im in fresh water lololol

[Jumpus GooDarus]

but i cant notice anything bad on them except for the holes in the side of the 10hp but with a bit of sikaflex that problem may be solved ,,,,,

What holes ?????

If in the alooy use Devcon a 2 pack alloy putty

,,,aw wait they still do ,,,,haahahahh,,saves carrying a camera about ,,,

Yeah yeah yeah Hanimex make camera's

[poly]

If in the alooy use Devcon a 2 pack alloy putty

????????? please explain, i have never herd of that one

[jasonb]

jump the 10hp ,above the gearbox and the top cowl the houseing has corroded threw ,it dont worry me much cause the water gets into there anyway with older motors so ill just fill em and tidy them up ,,,,that s if the rest is ok first ,,,,,

This post has been edited by jasonb: Mar 1 2008, 03:27 AM

[Jumpus GooDarus]

Devcon Job jas

Was using the stuff 30 years ago on aircraft .

Have also used it for exactly what you need to do.

It a 2 pack equal mix sets hard & is alot harder to sand/file back than car bog sticks like shit to a blanket

Prob best bet is to go into an auto accessories place & ask for it & read directions & what it can do

Better still just dug up their web site

ps] you can get it in small packs but it's not cheap

http://www.devcon.com/devconfamilyproduct....07&catid=15

[jasonb]

thanx mate ,will have a looky

[jasonb]

see if this works this is the 10hp ,the second one is whats left of the 8hp that has a good motor ,,the third one is in the workshop,everything is great on it except the rings are seized ,,,,but im gonna look at it after i get the first one goin ,,the good 8hp looks like it may of been rebuilt a few years ago the bore is great and no move ment in the piston or rings ,and all the water galleries are spotless ,,,so keeping fingers crossed

[poly]

strike me, i think the lower leg in the fist motor is shot, can u separate the power head from it

This post has been edited by poly: Mar 2 2008, 12:25 AM

[Jumpus GooDarus]

Geez!

That 1st pic where in hell did you find that motor/camera ??

[jasonb]

the motor should come off ,,im gonna see if the leg off the second piccie will fit it ,ive done a few measurements and the externals are the same but depends on the internal size of things,i could glass over it all ,its like that on both sides ,,and was full of concrete ,,,,

[jasonb]

got both the 8hp apart today and they look good ,,the seized one is like that because it was left out side without no plugs in it or a cover ,,,but a few famous words from a famous person ,,,,can we fix it ,,yes we can ,,,haahhhahha the 3 of them will be going ,,,,,,the only thing to stop us now is gearboxs ,so i hope there ok ,,,

[jasonb]

got both the 8hp stripped ,,now to get the best onto one and the rest onto the other ,,pulled the gearbox apart today and its great ,bought 2 new seals for it and put em in ,,bloody boat shop wanted $23.50 for 2 seals 1"round od by 1/4 round id ,but i got them from bearfast for $1.10 for the exact same thing ,,go figure ,hahhahha,just gotta find out whats the best oil for the gearbox now ,spent an hour trying to change the tilt mechanism over ,,that was fun ,,bloody corrosion ,,but its done too ,,

[bigdog]

jason try this place

http://arizonaoutboards.com.au/component/o...orms/Itemid,30/

[jasonb]

it looks like a good place ,,thanx very much bigdog ,,,,,,,

[quintrex101]

its a great spot that bulldog ... jason it be pefect they have heeps of parts and there very very cheap !!!!!!!!!!!!!11

[jasonb]

yeah mate ,,,maybe you could get a good motor there fh

[Jumpus GooDarus]

You better hop on down to the paddock & get some Wabbit ears to flush the motor with

[jasonb]

yeah i will mate when steve comes up this weekend for a shot ,,,,