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Posted by: It'l Do Mar 25 2008, 03:58 AM

Jumpy,

What speed is your finisher/dryer motor?
Reasearching - common speeds seem to be around 6 & 18 rpm.

Some also mention applying the guide & wrap finishing epoxy at upto 200 rpm. This seems very fast. Is your dryer speed adjustable.

Was given a 24V DC motor with gearbox and at 3V was around 4rpm and at 12V was around 16rpm. I have not tested it at hight voltages. Will run of an adjustable plug pack.

Next step is to get the wraping motor.

Posted by: Jumpus GooDarus Mar 25 2008, 04:19 AM

Just timed it

3 R P M

You'll want to make sure the wraping motor free spins that's why the sewing machines motors are so good

Posted by: It'l Do Mar 25 2008, 04:55 AM

Thanks for that. I will run around 4 - 6 rpm depending on the voltage on the plug pack.

Question: There is no way I can stop/stall the motor due to the gearbox. Is there any need to hold the rod still when applying the finishing epoxy?
If so I assume the rubber cups you use will allow you to do that.


Yes read before that I need to get a sewing machine motor and foot control for wrapping, just have not had a look where to buy one.

Posted by: Jumpus GooDarus Mar 25 2008, 05:05 AM

You really need to be able to turn the rod free hand when applying the resin else you'll miss spots & it's a pain waiting for the motor to revolve the rod again.

I dont secure the rod to the motor till after the resin has been applied & just let it sit on rollers till I'm done

Posted by: It'l Do Mar 25 2008, 05:18 AM

Once again thanks.

One less thing to do now. Thought I might have to buy or make a clutch system.

See ask the question and you don't have to buy the book.

Posted by: MartinF Mar 25 2008, 05:23 AM

good thing about the new auction thingie is that you can just bash all your failed first attempts on here like ol' jumps does and then say you've fished happily with them for years but have since moved on to bigger and better things and are now selling the surplus

Posted by: Jumpus GooDarus Mar 25 2008, 05:46 AM

Smart

I'm gonna tell Santa Klaus not to visit you anymore cause you wet the bed

Posted by: It'l Do Mar 25 2008, 05:46 AM

Don't think that will be the problem Martin.
I only hope the bug does not bite and I end up building as many rods as Jumpy. I am not retired so there is no way I would get to use them. Hang on I can flog them on the Auction forum if that happens.

Seriously, I want to build my own rods because I can and want to know how it is done. Then next year I will build each of my kids a rod (1 blue and 1 pink) like none that can be commerically bought. Just because I can.

Posted by: MartinF Mar 25 2008, 05:55 AM

yeah mate I hear you.. I would defo give it a try myself as well if I lived over there. Would just be cool to fish with a rod that you built up yourself. Will prob take some practice to get the nice clean results that some (like jumps) get but would be well worth it.

Posted by: jasonb Mar 25 2008, 10:55 PM

its actually pretty easy to do guys ,,,,,i dunno what my motor spins at but i can underbind then put on an eye without overuns in about 2 minutes flat ,,,,,

Posted by: jack Mar 25 2008, 11:25 PM

Personally I wouldn't mind having a good perv at some people that do this regularly to see if I could get into this.
Are there any members on this list that do this regularly and don't mind showing of their skills one day?

Are there any workshops around sydney where you can go and have look at it, maybe a factory or something?

Jack

Posted by: oz man Mar 26 2008, 01:21 AM

Here is a bloke that put it all in simple language. http://members.datafast.net.au/darrylt/

Posted by: jasonb Mar 26 2008, 01:28 AM

jack you would be closer to jumpy ,,and he knows more and has done more than me ,,hed be the guy to see and watch ,as i havent used my gear in a few years ,i was thinkin about gettin back into it again as me old rods need redoing ,i might do em up for the kids ,,,,,,plus ive got some old solid glass rods ide like to refurbish cause they were my fathers years ago ,,,,ill have to buy more thread again though ,,,,,ahahha ebay here i come hahahah

Posted by: It'l Do Mar 26 2008, 05:54 AM

Jack, save your money you don't need a workshop. You can start by looking at the free videos in mudhole.com
http://www.mudhole.com/Rod-Building-101#
Pretty good intro.
Equipment I need is no where as expensive. If you looked at the pictures Jumpy posted you can see how simple it can be.

Start simple and go from there.

Once I get the motors and rod steady (can be as simple a 2 scooter/in-line skate wheels) I will get Jumpy to advise basics need to get started.

Posted by: MartinF Mar 26 2008, 08:12 AM

thanks for the link mate, that's pretty clear.

Looks like a top little hobby, I can just imagine how much better it would be to catch a fish on a rod that you built up yourself, picked out the blank, guides, etc. The whole decorating business could keep you happy for years to come I guess, but even just building it up and binding it without any fancy stuff would be very cool.

Guess I could fit an old sewing machine engine in the 4be somewhere ;-)

Oh I think I now also understand why some ppl have so many rods, once you start building you just never stop... you make one and then you think 'well, if I just changed this and that so and so it would be that little bit better'

edit-

was just readin on ausfish that they have a rodbuilding weekend this coming weekend and since they have a bunch of ppl together they don't even use a machine to turn the blank, as that would require a pretty big workshop with so many ppl. The guy just says "You will need something on which to turn your rod, the best things are rollers, but I improvise and lay the ends of my rod on a pair of my joggers, sounds strange & Stu is always taking the piss, but it works."

So I guess if you really wanted to start out cheap, you could do it by hand completely. Have to say that sounds like a bit of a juggle, but if you're only going to do it once or twice you could probably Maguiver a system which would be a bit more stable than a pair of shoes.. like you say, just use skate wheels or something.

Posted by: nimrod Mar 26 2008, 03:44 PM

Jack. next time you are over my place I will show you a basic wrap, chevron and show you a few steps that would get you started.
I have long since sold my lathe and most of my rod building equipement, but I can throw a basic rod stand together in about 5 minutes and do everything by hand.
For drying the resin I have a battery powered 1 x d battery that rotates approx 3 revs a minute.
I will try and take a photo of a test pattern rod, that I used to show people for a couple of basic thread designs, and post it here, if I can get this camera to work or I might have to borrow the wifes new digi.
Frank

Posted by: jack Mar 26 2008, 04:33 PM

Cool, I plan to be in the area real soon

Jack

Posted by: nimrod Mar 26 2008, 04:45 PM

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Hope this works.

Posted by: nimrod Mar 26 2008, 05:22 PM

I'm making a mess of editing the post so I will start a new post.

photo 1 unfinished fishies, needs fill in, but couldn't be bothered at the time, as it is just to show pattern.
....... 2 Large and small eagles, can have either or both.
....... 3 out of focus starburst.
....... 4 wide view of sample patterns rod.
....... 5 bit useless.
....... 6 Very basic roller set up, just to hold rod and you turn by hand, or use battery rotisary for drying.

Sorry about the poor photos, there are more photos in the camera but somehow they won't transfer to the computer.
I am going to get a new digi camera one of these days, or borrow the wife's new one.

Either that or transfer from slides 35mm ( my prefered mode of photo taking ) to computer.

Frank

Posted by: MartinF Mar 26 2008, 05:25 PM

photo qual is not the problem, the camera is just focussing on the wrong object in the first couple of them, dunno if you can set it to manual but try moving the camera around a bit, you may be in just a bit too close for it to focus on the rod if it doesn't have a macro option.

Posted by: nimrod Mar 26 2008, 05:55 PM

Yes I can see that now. The camera needs replacing anyhow as it is not transfering all the photos onto my program and I have to switch it off and back on again after every shot.
It's driving me crazy, and with my eyesight failing as well I cant see what is focused and what is not till I trandfer onto computer.
Might take a few shots with the other digi and see if it's me or the camera.
It's a bad tradesman that blames his tools.

Frank

Posted by: It'l Do Mar 27 2008, 03:49 AM

Frank,

Do you have any of the wrap patterns (step by step how to do a pattern)?
or
DO you do them from memory?

Saw you asking for the spider pattern on another thread and I woul dbe interested in getting some patterns if possible.

Posted by: jack Mar 27 2008, 03:57 AM

Good stuff, you'll have to show me some when I'm there

Jack

Posted by: nimrod Mar 27 2008, 02:11 PM

I follow a pattern, and the pretty ones are usually complicated.
x patterns and chevrons ( their the v shaped patterns ) you don't need a formula, they are very easy.
You can make up your own design, but it's a hell of a lot easier to copy someone elses pattern.
I use Dale p Clemens Custom rod thread art book, and it shows you how to's and has heaps of patterns.
There are some basics you need to know before you even start to think about doing a pattern.
Spacing the x's are very important and the thicker the rod the bigger the spaces etc.
For closed patterns the measurements have to be precise.

If there is a certain pattern you want to try, I could put the formula here for you, but until you learn the terms and rod building language it would be all double dutch.

Frank